Talk:Rose Cohen

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Role

Her role in the 1920s is too short:

Cohen transferred large sums of money to the Communist parties

Who was paying for this? Zezen (talk) 06:45, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

My family wrote this article on reliable information from the known sources. We have no additional information. Thank you. David1886 (talk) 00:14, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

The known source - Francis Beckett “Stalin’s British victims” David1886 (talk) 00:34, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Rose Cohen. The title of the article.

Dear Vif12vf,

Thank you for your special interest in Rose Cohen, though I don’t understand your rage, and why you are threatening me. - It’s very much against the collaborative spirit of Wikipedia, and against its guidelines.

The title “British Stalin’s victim”  is the title of the book written about her by Francis Beckett and published in England in 2004 by Sutton Publishing. She is featured on the cover. It’s by far the most comprehensive source of information about her, published by a very respected author. And while she was indeed a member of the Communist party, it’s just a political affiliation, and you don’t find Wiki articles saying “Boris Johnson, Conservative”, though he is the leader of the Conservative Party.

Rose Cohen was a feminist, a socialist, a journalist, and a member of the Communist party. Unfortunately, her most life defining role was being a British Stalin’s victim, as it’s clearly featured in “British Stalin’s victims” book.

Your rage and insistence on the title reminds me of witch hunting, black labeling of people affiliated with the communist party in the US, and also a well documented sentiment among the British officials at the time of her arrest, that because she was a member of the Comminist party she somehow deserved her tragic fate in the USSR.

Thank you, David1886 David1886 (talk) 21:06, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

The title of the article should be Rose Cohen (Stalin’s British victim). David1886.

My name legal is Mikhail Petrovskiy. I’m the single grandson of Rose Cohen and David Petrovsky. I and my family are the authors of this article. This article was created in a collaboration with many famous researchers-historians and writers.

Dear Rosguill, {{subst:requested move|NewName|reason=The title “Stalin’s British victim” is the title of the book written about her by Francis Beckett and published in England in 2004 by Sutton Publishing. Rose Cohen is featured on the cover. It’s by far the most comprehensive source of information about her, published by a very respected author. And while she was indeed a member of the Communist party, it’s just a political affiliation, and you don’t find Wiki articles saying “Boris Johnson, Conservative”, though he is the leader of the Conservative Party. Rose Cohen was a feminist, a socialist, a journalist, and a member of the Communist party. Unfortunately, her most life defining role was being a British Stalin’s victim, as it’s clearly featured in “British Stalin’s victims” book. Your insistence on the title reminds me of witch hunting, black labeling of people affiliated with the communist party in the US, and also a well documented sentiment among the British officials at the time of her arrest, that because she was a member of the Comminist party she somehow deserved her tragic fate in the USSR.

Thank you, David1886 David1886 (talk) 19:06, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 23 January 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved as proposed. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:37, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

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Rose Cohen (communist) → Rose Cohen – Does not seem to require disambiguation, especially this controversial and WP:UNDUE one. Only other article with similar name is Rose Gollup Cohen which can be addressed with a hatnote. Dl2000 (talk) 20:09, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 23:51, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nomination and Ortizesp. In June 2009, the newly created redirect, Rose Cohen, was pointed to the article delineating the American mass murderer Howard Unruh, one of whose 16 victims in 1949 was named Rose Cohen. In July 2015, the redirect was re-pointed to the newly created article for the 1910s–1920s American immigrant writer Rose Gollup Cohen and it still redirects there. In February 2017, the article for the English Rose Cohen was created but, instead of repurposing the redirect, the newly created article was given the main title header, Rose Cohen (feminist) which, four-and-a-half years later, in September 2021, was unilaterally moved to Rose Cohen (communist). Two months later, in November 2021, it was again unilaterally moved to Rose Cohen (Stalin’s British victim) and then moved back-and-forth between those two parenthetical qualifiers. Per nomination, no parenthetical qualifier is needed and a hatnote pointing to Rose Gollup Cohen will suffice. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:40, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
• At least I'd consider making this title a DAB, Howard Unruh gets more views (3,908) than this one (126) and Rose Gollup Cohen (58)[[1]] but Google results appear to be for the communist. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:28, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Howard Unruh's pageviews aren't relevant though, unless you can show that a significant fraction of those views derive from people searching specifically for Rose Cohen the murder victim, which I think is highly unlikely. As the writer seems to be consistently known as Rose Gallup Cohen and receives only half the views of this page, I don't see the need for a disambiguation page. Lennart97 (talk) 09:36, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom and my comment above. Lennart97 (talk) 09:36, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Showiecz (talk) 15:46, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Rose Cohen. The title of the article.

Dear participants of the discussion,

The title of the article "Rose Cohen (communist)" is unacceptable.

The title “Stalin’s British victim”  is the title of the book written about Rose Cohen by Francis Beckett and published in England in 2004 by Sutton Publishing. Rose Cohen is featured on the cover. It’s by far the most comprehensive source of information about her, published by a very respected author. And while she was indeed a member of the Communist party, it’s just political affiliation, and you don’t find Wiki articles saying “Boris Johnson, Conservative”, though he is the leader of the Conservative Party. Rose Cohen was a feminist, a socialist, a journalist, and a member of the Communist party. Unfortunately, her most life-defining role was being a Stalin’s British victim, as it’s featured in “Stalin’s British victims” book. The title "Rose Cohen (communist)" is unacceptable and reminds me of witch-hunting, black labeling of people affiliated with the communist party in the US, and also a well-documented sentiment among the British officials at the time of her arrest, that because she was a member of the Communist party, she somehow deserved her tragic fate in the USSR.

Thank you, David1886

Get Outlook for iOS David1886 (talk) 14:41, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

@David1886: Your concerns are noted. In the section above, a proposal is ongoing to change the title to simply "Rose Cohen". It looks like this proposal will succeed, and assuming you agree with it, you can even voice your support. That will solve the naming issue entirely. Lennart97 (talk) 14:55, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

The title of the article - “Rose Cohen”

I agree with the proposal the title of the article “Rose Cohen.” David1886 (talk) 04:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

"Investigation materials. The Central Archive. Federal Security Service, Russia"

How on earth are we using this as a source? None of us has access to these records, and they are anyway the records of the NKVD. Clearly not a reliable source, should not be referenced without stating clearly that this is what the NKVD were saying as it is a primary source. FOARP (talk) 10:39, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Most prominent as a communist

I get the well-intentioned efforts to concentrate on her career with the suffragettes, but the content of the article is pretty clear that Cohen was much more notable as a communist and victim of Stalinism than she was as a suffragette - there is very little to be said on that topic. FOARP (talk) 16:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC)