Talk:Roskilde/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 15:52, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Will have this one finished either today or tomorrow ☯ Jaguar ☯ 15:52, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Initial comments

Lead

• I would link Copenhagen for reference  Done
• "With a population of 48,721 (1 January 2014)" - this might read better through something like As of the 2014 census(?), the city had a population of 48,721 or something similar?

have made a slight alteration: there is a link to the Danish statistical office

• "Roskilde has a historic four-platform railway station" - why is the station historic?

It is explained in the article: "Roskilde Station is the oldest railway station in Denmark still operating and the first built of stone. The first train arrived from Copenhagen on 26 June 1847."

• The lead complies per WP:LEAD, as it summarises the main points in the article well (especially with its history). I notice the omission of "healthcare" and "notable people" in the lead, but I personally would not consider this to affect this GAN as the reader could always read the rest of the article, but it's just an idea if you ever plan on bringing this up to FA?

I'll work on this later. You will see on my talk page that I have received some other suggestions for improvements to the lead.--Ipigott (talk) 07:31, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

In regard to healthcare, the hospital was in fact already included in the lead but I have now expanded its coverage as well as something on notable citizens. I have also incorporated other recent suggestions.  Done--Ipigott (talk) 14:39, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

History

• "Roskilde developed as the hub of the Viking land and sea trade routes over a thousand years ago, is one of Denmark's oldest cities" - is this missing a "and"? and is one of Denmark's oldest cities or am I wrong?

Well spotted.  Done

• "By that time, it was probably the largest and most important town in Denmark" - this part is unsourced, never mind, I have just found out that ref 6 covers it!
• "Since the 1980s, the service sector has prospered, replacing industry as the major employer" - which industry did it replace?

have specified "manufacturing"; there are explanations under "Economy"  Done

Geography

• "1,300 m (4,300 ft) south of the fjord, is c. 40 m " - should be approximately 40 m?

 Done

• "Also of note is Hyrdehøj Skov, to the south of the stadium and just north of Route 23" - what is Hyrdehøj Skov?

 Done

Demographics and administration

• The second paragraph is unsourced, should it contain the same reference as the one in the box?

 Done

Economy

• "the Scandinavian Pizza Company (Domino's Pizza)" - isn't Domino's Pizza American?

The name of the company (see ref) is Scandinavian Pizza Company. Maybe they produce Domino's pizzas under license but I agree this is confusing and have deleted Domino's

 Done

Landmarks

• "Facing the courtyard, the façade" - just curious, why not just 'facade'?

I did not add this myself but I know that some automatic spell checkers constantly change facade to façade; façade is perfectly acceptable in British English, less common in American English

• The two small paragraphs in the "Roskilde Jars" section could be merged together to create a better flow, what do you think?

 Done

Transport

• "Roskilde has a four-platform railway station" - the lead said that the four-platform railway station was historic? I notice that it later says "Roskilde Station is the oldest railway station in Denmark" but this should be mentioned in the lead?

have reworded the lead as you suggest  Done

• "The airport is also home to a small Royal Danish Air Force detachment, maintaining a helicopter based Search-and-Rescue" - should 'Search-and-Rescue' be capitalised?

sloppy cutting and pasting  Done

Education and sport

• "Six gymnasiums" - I notice that 'gymnasiums' link to Gymnasium (Denmark), if there anything that differs between Danish gymnasiums and other ones to be notable enough to include here? I would have otherwise thought it was WP:OVERLINKING!

Must disagree on this one. A gymnasium in Denmark (as in Germany) is a secondary school leading to the matriculation diploma, not a gym for gymnastics. I don't think many English speakers are familiar with the usage. The link to the Danish article also provides background on the precise set-up and curriculum. There are also significant differences between gymnasium schools in Denmark and those in other countries such as Germany and Austria. I think it is better to maintain the link as it is although it would be possible to to substitute Gymnasium_(school)#Northern_European_countries. I await your reactions.

Sure, I was just wondering what the difference was with a gymnasium in Denmark and others, but now I know then perhaps it's best to keep it as it is? Thanks for telling me! ☯ Jaguar ☯ 18:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

WP:ENGVAR

There are cases of both British and American spelling in this article, as per most GAs and the criteria, they usually are meant to have on spelling variant. Which one would Roskilde use? I see instances such as "centre" and "recognized" in the same section!

I have tried to adopt British spelling throughout. Verbs in -ize coincide with the preferred spelling in the Oxford English Dictionary. I am English myself generally use -ize forms but also accept -ise of course. See American_and_British_English_spelling_differences#Greek-derived_spellings. Please let me know if there are any other instances of American spelling and I will change them.Ipigott (talk) 11:28, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

References

• Ref 36 is dead

Updated  Done

• In the external links, Roskilde Domkirke (English version of Danish site) and NetBorger Kommunefakta are both dead

Thanks for checking this out. I must admit I did not go through them myself. No that the article is much more complete, I don't think any of the external links are necessary and have deleted the section.

• I think I have now dealt with your most of your queries. Please let me know if you are happy with the changes. I still intend to do further work on the article, especially the lead, but you might consider this to be outside the review. In the meantime, thanks for dealing with everything at Jaguar speed and coming up with a number of useful comments.--Ipigott (talk) 11:45, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

• Just a final word to let you know that I have now completed changes to the article in connection with your comments and other suggestions I have received over the past 24 hours. Hope everything is now OK.--Ipigott (talk) 16:46, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

On hold

Overall just some minor issues that include the prose and some dead links that could be clarified, but other than that it is a fine looking article. Sorry for the delay too, as I've been caught up in some things. I'll put this on hold for you, and will be happy to review the development of this article further! ☯ Jaguar ☯ 16:07, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Close - promoted

Thank you for addressing all of those concerns, Ipigott! After seeing the improvements made to the article, it now meets the GA criteria. It is broad, comprehensive and well written, with no problems with the references. It was an interesting read too, as was Aarhus (which feels like a long time ago). Anyway, thank you for coming to this quickly ☯ Jaguar ☯ 18:59, 14 January 2015 (UTC)