Talk:Route nationale

Route Nationale

Route Nationale refers to the acronym Route Nationale (R.N.) rather than a route nationale. Captain scarlet 15:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

The acronym is derived from the name and not the other way round!!! If you look at [1] (transcript of the Journal Officiel on a French government website), they talk about "la route nationale 67", and not "la Route Nationale 67". That supports the argument that "route nationale" and not "Route Nationale" is the proper spelling. olivier 15:47, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

In which case all the roads should simply be RN#. The scheme you have just adopted goes against all the schemes previously used, M1 motorway, A13 autoroute, A61 road. Hence N20 nationale (or indeed road). From what I remember in french class, Route Nationale is a nom propre, a name, not a nom commun. The difference being: Route Nationale 1 or La route nationale numéro 1. Cheers, Captain scarlet 17:07, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

PS: I don't read the Journal Officiel, teachers tried to get us into it but after 14 years of Mittérand, my faith in french politics kinda dwindled... 17:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

"Route Nationale" is a nom propre, just like François Mitterrand... interesting! As far as I understand, the JO is not supposed to be about politics, but, well... official. You can revert my changes if you think that you are right, I think it's not a big deal. Try to support more with evidence than opinions, though :-) olivier 13:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Imperial routes

(see also fr:Réseau routier français#Premier Empire)

First class (from [2])

• 1 Paris - Calais: N1
• 2 Paris - Maubeuge - Bruxelles - Anvers - Breda - Utrecht - Amsterdam: N2
• 3 (Paris -) Soissons - Charleville - Givet - Liege - Hambourg: N31, N51
• 4 Paris - Epernay - Metz - Forbach - Mayence: N3
• 5 (Paris -) Chalons - Strasbourg: N4
• 6 Paris - Genève - Saint-Gingolph - Simplon - Milan - Rome - Naples: N5
• 7 (Paris -) Joigny - Lyon - Chambéry - Modane - Mont-Cenis - Turin - Milan: N6 (not sure about the concurrency to Joigny)
• 8 Paris - Lyon - Nice - Menton - Antibes - Gênes - Florence - Rome: N7
• 9 (Paris -) Aix - Marseille - Toulon: N8
• 10 (Paris -) Moulins - Perpignan - Le Perthus???: N9
• 11 Paris - Vendôme - Tours - Bordeaux - Bayonne - Langon - Mont-de-Marsan - Hendaye???: N10
• 12 (Paris -) Poitiers - Niort - Rochefort: N11
• 13 Versailles - Laval - Rennes - Brest: N12
• 14 Paris - Évreux - Cherbourg: N13

Second class (from [3])

• 15 Paris - Le Havre: N14
• 16 Pontoise - Dieppe: N15
• 17 Paris - Dunkerque: N16
• 18 Paris - Lille (- Ostende): N17
• 21 Verdun - Longwy (- Coblence): N18
• 22 Paris - Bâle: N19
• 23 Paris - Toulouse - La Tour de Carol: N20
• 24 Limoges - Barèges: N21
• 25 Mauzé - La Rochelle: N22
• 26 Chartres - Nantes - Paimbœuf: N23
• 27 Rennes - Lorient: N24

19 and 20 were apparently outside present France. 3 became parts of "royal routes" 31 and 51 in the Restoration, apparently in 1824 (fr:Réseau routier français#Restauration et Monarchie de Juillet and fr:Route nationale 14). --SPUI (T - C) 18:36, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

2005 decommissioning

• (in French) list of routes that remain law info --SPUI (T - C) 04:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC)