Talk:Roy Stuart (photographer)

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I don't see it ... Rhomb (talk) 07:32, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

• Books and DVDs by one of the most prominent publishers for art photography, Taschen, mentioned in newspapers such as The Washington Post (the new book by photographer Roy Stuart, "the prince of Parisian up-the-skirt erotica." in With Premium You Get Less . . . and More - The Washington Post - May 7, 2001 - David Hall), The Guardian [1], etc. Made exhibitions in Paris [2], directed two feature films... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hektor (talk • contribs) 08:07, 15 November 2009

The criteria at WP:CREATIVE are:

1. The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors.
2. The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique.
3. The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
4. The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, or had works in many significant libraries.

Which of these do you think this person has met? Rhomb (talk) 12:44, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

What I think : the four of them. Hektor (talk) 06:39, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

unverified birthday

(born October 25, 1959) - removed again - you got proof for it? Mosfetfaser (talk) 11:21, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't mean to be part of the problem, only part of the solution :) -Lopifalko (talk)

I removed the birthday because of lack of credible sources - Carldecanada (talk) 18:05, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

What was wrong with this source that you removed? http://actuphoto.com/28298-laquo-glympstorys-raquo-nbsp-le-nouvel-opus-du-controverse-roy-stuart-aux-editions-skylight.html -Lopifalko (talk)

I guess unless we have a copy of his birth certificate, we'll never know for sure. This article is no proof he's born in 1959. Carldecanada (talk) 14:10, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

The Bibliothèque nationale de France has his date of birth. It's 25 October 1955. I've added it to the article. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:01, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

And I have just now removed it, because the BnF record says Source(s) : / Roy Stuart / Jean-Claude Baboulin, 1998 / Wikipédia : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Stuart_(photographe) (2009-08-07), and it's not clear which nugget of (mis?)info is from which source. Meanwhile, this source does say 1959, but says nothing about a date. ¶ Although it says nothing that's directly, compellingly relevant, note that WP:BLP does say various things that are more or less relevant. -- Hoary (talk) 12:01, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing us to WP:BLPPRIVACY which states "If the subject complains about the inclusion of the date of birth, or the person is borderline notable, err on the side of caution and simply list the year." -Lopifalko (talk)

Yes. So strictly speaking what it says is irrelevant here. But it does suggest to me a general approach of "When in doubt, skip". ¶ So what do we have? It's widely said (with whatever degree of authority) that he was born in 1955. One source (one that can't be dismissed so quickly but also isn't so impressive) casually says that it was 1959. I'm told that his Facebook page says 1975. (The last is implausible, because his autobio treats him as an adult, or at minimum a teen, in the 1970s.) Well, let's see if more sources turn up. -- Hoary (talk) 13:46, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Hoary seems to have looked deep, but perhaps not quite deep enough. I'm disappointed indeed to find the BNF using us as a source, and should have noticed that. However, the source, for the year only, in the fr.wp in August 2009 was this press release by Jean-David Boussemaer for a show in December 2007 at the Studio Art and You, Paris. Is there any reason to doubt that that is a reliable source? If Stuart was making an impression in New York counter-culture at the end of the 60s he could hardly have been born in 1959, let alone 1975. Not that I care a fig either way, let it be clear. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:50, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

That's a pretty good find, and worth remembering. Problem is, we now have one so-so source for 1955 and another for 1959. Any other source, anyone? ¶ Probably just a typo but I think you are a decade out: we're told that RS was hanging out with some groovy cats at an unspecified time in the 70s (no mention of the 60s). ¶ I too have no interest in his birth year. -- Hoary (talk) 22:44, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

So for now, the birthdate is removed, but how come it still shows up in Google seach results for Roy Stuart in the side blurb that's pulled from Wikipedia ? Can Hoary advise ? Carldecanada (talk) 11:18, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

I presume Google's bot that maintains that info only crawls Wikipedia infrequently. -Lopifalko (talk)

Thanks Hoary for removing my birthdate since I've noticed prejudice in the workplace because of it but I see that Google still publishes my birthday on the right of the page under one of my photos. Can you advise what must be done to get it off? Roystuartprod (talk) 12:24, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

People, here is a photocopy of Roy Stuart's passport stating his birthdate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carldecanada (talk • contribs) 20:49, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

I see something that purports to be a copy of the passport page of one Raymond Stuart, posted by an unknown person to a throwaway blog (one that has a total of zero other entries). Reliable source it isn't. Incidentally, this says he had "a bit part in The Godfather Part II, playing an American soldier back from World War II". This film was released when somebody born in 1962 would have been 12. -- Hoary (talk) 09:16, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

If you look at the MRC no's at the bottom of this copy of Roy's passport, you will see he was born in 1942, and the DOB has been 'shopped Ozyfromfrance (talk) 15:49, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Bit part in “The Godfather Part II,” playing an American soldier back from World War II

Godfather II was shot between October 1, 1973 and June 19, 1974.
Stuart, born October 25, 1962 would have thus been 10-11 years old, playing a WW2 soldier.--37.203.100.24 (talk) 17:54, 16 February 2016 (UTC)