Talk:Royal Family Order of Elizabeth II

Sarah?

One wonders if the honour was ever bestowed on Sarah, Duchess of York? Gerard von Hebel (talk) 17:54, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

classes of the Order?

Are there classes to the Order as there was to King George V's Order? If there are, does anyone know what determines the 'class' of a particular member, say the Duchess of Cornwall or Princess Royal is in? 74.69.11.229 (talk) 21:15, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the two sizes of the order are illustrated on page 35 of Risk, James; Pownall, Henry; Stanley, David; Tamplin, John (2001). Royal Service (Volume II). Lingfield, Surrey: Third Millennium. The size 1 badge is from Princess Margaret, it previously belonged to Queen Mary. The size 2 badge was from Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester. The latter is the badge illustrated on the top right of this wiki page.

[1]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/55/49/71/554971b87998ffcdf8332e3df44c5456.jpg is the size one badge DWStudham (talk) 14:10, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

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Styles upon conferral or styles now/later

I have, yet again, got into an editing war, this time about whether the conferees should be styled as they were at the time that the order was presented to them or how they are now (or became later, or, even, how they are best known). For instance, in 1952, 'Princess Margaret, Countess of Snowdon' was 'The Princess Margaret', having not yet married; likewise, Princess Alexandra did not gain the extra designation 'The Hon. Lady Ogilvy' until 1988, having had the 'plainer' 'The Hon. Mrs Ogilvy' between her 1963 wedding and then.

Rather than just stand by idly while policy is enforced in the manner that it has been, I figure that the *democratic* way of handling this is to open it for discussion here. ZeroAlpha87 (talk) 17:12, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with simply using article titles or common names. DrKay (talk) 17:42, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I disagree, which is why I have raised it on this page to see what other people think. ZeroAlpha87 (talk) 21:01, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

• IMO the list should use the individuals' best known or common names, which are likely to be the titles of their articles. Using their names as of conferral is more likely to cause confusion, as well as ambiguity among individuals who might have held the same title at different times (I don't know if that's the case for any of the listed recipients). I'm not sure that the current version is treating this consistently. However, it seems that this dispute really focuses on the use of honorifics, which the manual of style dictates we should not. ZeroAlpha87, you seem to be confused between titles (such as "Queen" and "Princess") which are part of a person's name, and honorifics (like "Her Royal Highness" and "The Honourable") which are not part of the name and should not be added. There's not really anything to debate on that point: policy says no honorifics. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 22:09, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I'd say that there needs to be a uniform approach - either they're all "then" styles or they're all "now"/"later" styles. Across those articles (Edward VII - Elizabeth II) there's too much variation. The policy does say not to use honorifics so it looks like ZeroAlpha87 got confused or just didn't know but I don't think that was the point of their argument. In reverting it DrKay's done away with the changes that I reckon are fair enough - if only the unnecessary honorifics had been removed instead of a direct revert we probably wouldn't be having this discussion! 92.30.78.108 (talk) 14:20, 8 September 2023 (UTC)