Talk:Royal Guernsey Light Infantry

Promotion of RGLI trust on this page

I do not feel that it is correct to promote the RGLI trust and especially the trustees in an article about the RGLI. The trust was established to erect some memorial stones to commemorate the 100th anniversary and I believe this page should simply note the stones existence, when they are in place. I would recommend that the only mention on this page of the trust is a link to the charity web site. Comments please. Ânes-pur-sàng (talk) 11:51, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

I created a 'Commemoration' section following the 'History' section. It seems to me to make sense in the overall flow of the article that after reading about the history, there should be something about how the memory of the RGLI is being kept alive. This section should only include content that is properly referenced, with secondary sources cited. There are good secondary sources for the content explaining the purpose of the trust, though a Google search did not provide sources for the paragraph about the founders, which seems extraneous to the purpose of the section and could be seen as self-promotion.

There have been attempts by an editor to move the content of the commemoration section into the lead section. The only reason I can see for them wanting to do so is to promote the charity after the AfC review of a dedicated article for the charity was rejected. Wikipedia is not a promotional tool, it is an encyclopedia. I hope that all editors remember that, and there are no further disruptive edits to the page. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 08:13, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

G'day, now that the protection of the article has expired, I would like to see some discussion on the talk page. Specifically, Curb, can you please state what you would like to see improved so that the COI tag can be removed from the article? ChrisOliver, if you would like to see certain information added about the trust, please establish consensus for this on the talk page, rather than add it to the article yourself per the guidelines at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 05:12, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I am quite happy with the page as it currently stands. That said, I think a happy medium would be to have a 'Commemoration' section as per [1]. What I wouldn't feel happy about is promoting the Trust in the lead section. So long as that is the case and there's no self-promotion by the Trust's founders, then the COI tag isn't needed. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:21, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

No worries, thank you for adding your thoughts. A compromise solution seems best to me. Are there any other opinions? @Ânes-pur-sàng and ChrisOliver: Thoughts on this approach? Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 00:02, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

I am happy with a commemoration section. No mention of people associated with the trust. The wording to change when the stones are put in place later this year, when presumably the trust will then cease to exist having completed its job. The website link stays in external links. Ânes-pur-sàng (talk) 06:59, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

How do you feel about mentioning who the patrons are, i.e. the Bailiff and Governor? These are notables, and it would show that the Island's establishment takes the commemoration seriously? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:50, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes the Island does take it seriously, but I thought it was normal to show patrons on a page about the charity (see RNLI), not on an associated article page. Their details can be picked up on the RGLI trust website and one can always post a picture of the patrons with a stone when it is laid. There are a number of memorials to those who died in WW1 in Guernsey, which include RGLI men and the RGLI battle honours on a flag could be posted as a picture to improve this page, I am however not aware of a specific memorial anywhere to the RGLI .... yet.

It may seem strange but the RGLI was created to solve the problem that the Royal Guernsey Militia for the last 600 years had not been allowed to serve overseas, so the RGLI was created, fought bravely and was then closed down. Many men from the Island Militia served in other units and many men not from the Island served in the RGLI. I do not think that Islanders particularly considered the RGLI as anything special at the time, it was the Island Men, not the name of the RGLI that mattered, which may explain why most memorials listing the men who died do not name the unit they served in and there was no specific memorial to the RGLI erected post war. In Jersey many of their militia men went to war en-bloc and became the 7th battalion of the Royal Irish Rifles rather than create a Jersey Regiment. Thoughts and opinions over time have changed and the Island is rightfully very proud of the RGLI. Ânes-pur-sàng (talk) 15:19, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Commemoration section added back in as seems generally acceptable compromise. - Ânes-pur-sàng (talk) 06:27, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Also removing close connection warning, as issue has gone quiet with problem solved. - Ânes-pur-sàng (talk) 06:30, 10 May 2017 (UTC)