Talk:Royal barge

Flags on the Gloriana

The Manx triskelion was not flown on the Gloriana. It is not visible on any photo of the barge. If it was then two things spring to mind: either the organisers didn't know that the Isle of Man is not part of the UK, or they were blatently ignoring every other British possession including Jersey, Guernsey, Gibraltar, St. Helena, the Falkland Islands, Bermuda, etc. ^Mac Tíre _Cowag 23:01, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

I doubt that the organisers didn't know what they were doing as Flag Protocol is an important diplomatic and naval convention. The Islands in question are considered Crown Dependencies so that may or may not have a bearing. Artowalos (talk) 15:45, 8 June 2012 (UTC)artowalos

Vandalism

Yet again we see edits that reverse important information for what appears to be purely political reasons. If you wish to tak up the debate about the constituents of the UK - then please take up your discussion elsewhere! Flag protocol is an important part of the information relating to Royal Barges in the UK. This information was provided to me by an ex-Naval officer with expertise in signals on board ship. i have reversed your edits. Please do not reverse them again! Artowalos (talk) 15:41, 8 June 2012 (UTC)artowalos

You've been here long enough to understand the importance of verifiability. If you can provide a reliable source that backs up your claims about the reasons for these flags being flown, the information could go in Gloriana (barge) - it certainly does not belong in this generic article about royal barges.  —SMALLJIM  16:18, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Actually, rather than reverting, I've compromised on the flags - see the article. I think this is as far as we can go unless you can provide a reliable reference that explains why the flag of Cornwall was being flown.  —SMALLJIM  16:27, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

The source lists the flag of Cornwall under "county and regional flags", not as a national flag. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:54, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Glad to see your still peddling your anti-Cornish sentiments again Ghmyrtle. The fact that some people consider the Cornish flag to be a national flag should be good enough - even for you. Artowalos (talk) 19:04, 12 June 2013 (UTC)artowalos

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Is it a barge or a boat?

Pending somebody slapping me around the chops with an actual technical answer, backed up by a source, I am going to suggest that a Royal Barge could be any type of boat or vessel assigned to carry a member of royalty on ceremonial duties, unless it already has a significant identity in its own right, such as the Royal Yacht Britannia. Ok, so it requires a Royal Warrant. But any type of vessel could be considered.

Is there precedent for my outrageous claim? I think so;

• Air Force One is not one specific aircraft (as most people believe), but can be any aircraft used to transport a POTUS.
• An "Admiral's Barge" is typically a standard ships tender, used to transport a (Royal Navy) admiral. It may have a fancy paint job, but despite the name it is never an actual flat-bottomed barge.
• In fact, in this modern era, an Admiral's Barge can also be an aircraft!

The article leads with 'A Royal Barge is a ceremonial barge...' Sometimes it is a barge, and sometimes it isn't.

WendlingCrusader (talk) 03:13, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

October 2024 edit(s)

Having posed the question above (is it a barge...?) and undertaken some further research, I have just edited the introduction. This is of course doing things back-to-front, as I should have edited the main body first. Please forgive me for now.

As a heads-up, at some point I will be introducing some references to the French Canot Royale, or 'Emperor's Canoe', as a direct comparison to the Belgian version already cited.

And along with that, I shall add a new section, probably immediately under the header, explaining the variety of terms used e.g. barge, canot, rowboat, or whatever, and the fact that these are just terms of convenience, not necessarily an accurate description of the vessel itself. In this respect, if you are looking for citations, I'm not sure I will come up with anything. As I see it I am only stating what it is already obvious from the article as it stands. For instance;

The Royal Barge was a tender for HMY Britannia...

Here is a vessel that is clearly not a barge, that might be employed to transport mere Heads of State, or some VIPs, and that frequently shuttled to and from the Royal Yacht, most probably anchored somewhere off-shore i.e. not an inland waterway. It breaks all the rules. And it is not the only example.

I will return at some point. WendlingCrusader (talk) 14:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

The Royal barch in the Netherlands

it has not been used for some time, but our beautifull royal barge has been lovingly restored. It can be used and is on view in Amsterdam.

Robert Prummel Groningen 2001:1C01:3B06:1900:89F2:44D0:605B:E33B (talk) 19:46, 31 October 2024 (UTC)