Talk:Ruby Tuesday (song)

Untitled

If anyone can find the correct image for the ruby tuesday single, please upload it. Stan weller 06:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Remakes

Could be wrong, but don't think Kenney Rogers ever recorded it. Maybe you're thinking of "Ruby, Don't Take Your Love To Town," which is a song about a Korean War Veteran who wants to shoot his wife for cheating on him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.87.86.50 (talk) 17:50, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

POV

Brian Jones blows a charming recorder melody, blending into a rich, pure pop sound of acoustic guitar, piano and acoustic bass. Jagger sings with charming softness of a mysterious girl who warns him to "Catch your dreams before they slip away!"

Seriously now. "Charming"? "Rich, pure pop"? "Charming softness"?! WTF. Serious re-write is in order. I'm too lazy/busy/tired to do it. Thorns Among Our Leaves 21:17, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Fixed it. Can we remove the tag? Stan weller 19:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed POV tag 192.43.65.245 00:00, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

This is one of the best Stones's songs. Only thing I cannot make up my mind , does Mick sing Catch your dreams or Cash your dreams

Disambiguation Page

Now that there are three "Ruby Tuesday" articles in Wikipedia, the song, the actor, and the US-based restaurant chain, what does everyone think of making the main Ruby Tuesday page a disambiguation page? 70.153.96.190 12:50, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

--I agree about this. I've stumbled upon this page instead of the Ruby Tuesday Restaurant article several times. Any thoughts about adding a disambiguation page for Ruby Tuesday? 12.52.182.20 (talk) 19:50, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

--What would be the next steps on making this happen? Seems like a logical move. Cheers! 12.52.182.20 (talk) 19:07, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

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format glitch

how did the "covers" section wind up with two "edit" buttons?? the second one should be up by the "music & inspiration" section - is there a way to fix that, please and thank you kindly? Sssoul (talk) 09:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

more cover versions

there are cover versions from Marianne Faithful & Janis Joplin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.140.114.3 (talk) 09:37, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

There is another very nice version by Dick Gaughan on is 1996 album Sail On --Johannes Rohr (talk) 13:05, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

When "Ruby Tuesday" is Performed Live

When the Rolling Stones perform "Ruby Tuesday" live, sometimes they omit the flute (recorder) parts but, in regards to a few performances, notably, their Hartford, CT gig in 2005, the flute parts return, but, are those performed by Chuck Leavell on his keyboards? WikiPro1981X (talk) 04:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

that "in popular culture" section

i'm not a fan of these sections, but the guideline suggests rewriting it instead of just eliminating it. so i've decided to transplant it here so that the information (such as it is) is preserved in case someone feels like working on it:

==In popular culture==

• A snippet from this song plays a vital part in the 1997 Booker Prize-winning novel The God of Small Things.
• The song is featured in the 2001 film The Royal Tenenbaums in a scene with Luke Wilson and Gwyneth Paltrow. The :scene also features the Rolling Stones song "She Smiled Sweetly".
• A cover by Franco Battiato appears in the 2006 film Children of Men.
• Ruby Tuesday is the title of an animated movie musical in the works that will be based on the music of the Rolling Stones.
• The Marvel Comics character Ruby Thursday is named after the song.
• Actress Katey Sagal sings a rendition of the song in episode 202 of the TV series Sons of Anarchy. <ref name="soablog">{{cite web |title=Sons of Anarchy Production Blog: The Music |date=1 September 2009 |url=http://soa.blogs.fxnetworks.com/2009/09/01/the-music/ |accessdate=9 September 2009 |}}</ref>
  

thanks Sssoul (talk) 09:14, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Authorship

In his 1993 Keith Richards biography, Victor Bockris writes about Ruby Tuesday that Richards came up with the basic song and the words and that he and Jones finished the song in the studio. Bockris explicitly states that "Richards and Jones wrote together" (and sidelining Jagger, again as stated by Bockris). Bockris, Keith Richards, page 93-94.

Move request

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved because the usage appears to be split between the song and the restaurant (i.e., there is no primary topic). If there were a primary topic, it would be at the base name for the real needs of real readers, even though some editors prefer a qualified name when no qualifier is needed. WP:TWODABS only applies to titles in which one is a primary topic; if there is no primary topic, a dab is needed even for only two topics. -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:50, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

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Ruby Tuesday → Ruby Tuesday (song) – I propose that this article gets moved back to "Ruby Tuesday (song)". This would allow the "Ruby Tuesday" page to be used as a disambiguation page for the song, restaurant and actress. A google search for "ruby tuesday restaurant" returns 5.17 million results, while a search for "ruby tuesday song" returns 1.84 million. A google search for "ruby tuesday" results in the restaurant being the number one result, while wikipedia returns the song as the primary link. This confusion could be easily cleared up with a disambiguation page. Chilled616 (talk) 04:18, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

• Support disambiguation per nom. 70.24.251.208 (talk) 05:07, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

• Support. Sounds reasonable. Doc talk 05:09, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

• Support because it would benefit thousands of enquirers and harm no one's interests anywhere. Consider those who know only the song, and are looking for a Wikipedia article about it. How are they helped by the present arrangement? How would they not be helped much more by selecting the title "Ruby Tuesday (song)" with even greater ease in a Google search, for example?

Note: Details given in the preamble are so seriously flawed as to be useless (or worse). Here's how:

• "A google search for 'ruby tuesday' results in the restaurant being the number one result" because the restaurant uses the address "www.rubytuesday.com". That certainly helps bump anything up the list, as does the fact that people are seeking it out for commercial reasons: they want to go there and eat! It's a chain, right? And a third reason, related to both of those: such a commercial enterprise is bound to put greater effort into search engine optimisation (SEO) than any non-commercial "enterprises" would.
• The figures for the Google searches above seem in fact to be based on inputting the words alone, without keeping them as a phrase by the use of double quote marks. That makes a big difference. For example, a search from my system (local settings make a difference) on "ruby tuesday song" gives "about 115,000 results"; with ruby tuesday song I get "about 2,760,000 results" (comparable to what is reported above).
• However they are elicited, those high figures are extremely wild estimates from Google, and have no reliability at all. This is well attested.
• The websites for restaurants and for songs are very likely to differ in innumerable ways. Nothing much at all can be gleaned from raw figures of the sort presented (even if they were not wild estimates), which with the best will in the world give a spurious appearance of meaningfulness and precision.

Googlebook searches are far more relevant for an encyclopedia than standard Google searches. Here is one, suitably delimited (to the 21st century) for relevance and to overcome the Google limitation that has it sample a thousand pages only:

• "ruby tuesday" "rolling stones" -restaurant: "Page 5 of about 465 results". [Amended. I am pleased to be able to report that I spent the relevant period in a culturally appropriate daze, so it slipped my mind that this was an iconic Stones song, not a Beatles song. Thanks to Ictus for pointing it out at my talkpage.–N]

☺ Noetica^Tea? 01:03, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your input Noetica. This is only the second page I have ever tried to move, and I based my argument off of other arguments I've seen in moves. I sincerely appreciate you pointing out the flawed logic as it will help me become a better editor. Thank you. Chilled616 (talk) 06:54, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Delighted that you take it that way, Chilled! See my note at your talkpage. Noetica^Tea? 08:12, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose Won't oppose if previous voters confirm votes I've taken the rather unusual and bold step of strike-through of the actress in the nomination, since there is no "Ruby Tuesday (actress)", it was a stub for a stagename created from one IMDB entry for an exploitation movie She Devils on Wheels made two years after the song. Ideally nominator should have checked this, but easily missed, we all assume WP is reliable, haha :). Every single actor/actress in the film is a red-link so I'm guessing it was practically homemade, no notability at all for the actress under the stagename - I've nominated the stub for AfD. Which just leaves the 1972 restaurant as the article says based on the 1966 Stones song. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:25, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

So please explain how the proposed move would benefit anyone enquiring for Wikipedia articles in this set. If someone wants an article on "Ruby Tuesday" the song, isn't it better that they find one called Ruby Tuesday (song), accurately and precisely? (Similarly for the restaurant.)

That is a serious question. I am surprised you have not already addressed it. Please do so, preferably in full detail, and considering both Google searches and searches on Wikipedia.

Noetica^Tea? 04:35, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Noetica, personally if it was up to me every entry in Category:The Rolling Stones songs or indeed category:Songs would have a disambiguator (song) after it. But they don't and there isn't a guideline to do so, AFAIK, there perhaps should be. In this case there's only the restaurant named after the song. I've crossed out my Oppose, it was more to do with the ghost actress in the nomination. I contacted Doc9871 and Chilled616 and yourself. I didn't contact the IP. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:17, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your input In ictu oculi. I do agree that it was a bold move to strikethrough on my post. Furthermore, I would have liked to make the edit personally after consultation rather than having you alter my proposal signed in my name. With all that said, it is not really a big deal to me.

You're right, I did not do additional research into the actress. I made the poor assumption the article was notable by WP standards. However, this does not change my proposal. I still stand by my original proposal to turn the "Ruby Tuesday" page in a disambiguation page, and move this page to "Ruby Tuesday (song)", with or without the actress page involved. Chilled616 (talk) 06:54, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

According to the template, "The discussion may be closed after 7 days of being opened, if consensus has been reached." I guess we should wait a few days before anyone gets too bold, to let plenty of people consider the move... but this initial opinion-gathering session seems to indicate that the move will probably happen. Has anyone looked into the archives on this? There's a chance it's been brought up before. Doc talk 07:01, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah, such faith! Alas, there may be more to come. There are those who think differently, and who prefer the shortest possible title regardless of the real needs of real readers. Watch this space.

Noetica^Tea? 08:12, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Is there anything wrong with having a "Ruby Tuesday (disambiguation)" page? If you move the song to "Ruby Tuesday (song)" why must you then leave the disambiguation page without a clear title? Do people just do this without thinking or has it already been discussed somewhere? It would seem to be an advantage for Ruby Tuesday (song) and Ruby Tuesday (restaurant) [or whatever] to come up separately in a google search. "Ruby Tuesday" could be a redirect to whatever was deemed the primary topic. Neotarf (talk) 13:09, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

A disambiguation page seems unneeded when there are so few things to link to. A redirect -- which it seems you're suggesting -- would make more sense. Hot Stop 15:25, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I guess my question was more about once you have already decided to have a DAB page, whether to put it in the "primary topic" spot or give it its own parenthetical title. So far there are articles on...

"Ruby Tuesday", which is about the song,

"Ruby Tuesday (restaurant)", which is about the international restaurant chain, and

"Ruby Tuesday (actress)", which is a stub as yet. There is also, for some reason,

"Ruby Tuesday's", which redirects to "Ruby Tuesday (restaurant)". If the article is moved, why not just add

"Ruby Tuesday (disambiguation)" ?

In addition, as per above, there is a comic book character, a cover of the song by another artist, and a film that is still in production. None have articles as yet, but it would be reasonable to add them to a dab page if there was one. But my point was whether there is an advantage to having a separate title for the dab page as opposed to putting it in the "primary topic" spot. Neotarf (talk) 21:20, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. Per WP:TWODABS; the hatnote on Ruby Tuesday pointing to the restaurant is quite sufficient. Google search results are skewed, both for the reason Noetica noted and because people look up restaurants in Google far more often than they do in an encyclopedia. Powers ^T 02:12, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

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Rotary Connection cover, 1967

Pretty silly that one of the song's earliest covers, by the Chicago psych/soul band Rotary Connection, is not included in the "Covers" section of the article. RC's version appeared on their eponymous debut album (as did another Stones cover, "Lady Jane") on Chess Records, 1967, the same year The Stones had a hit with it. RC of course included the late Minnie Riperton as one of its female vocalists.Maccb (talk) 12:12, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for File:RubyTuesday-live single.jpg

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Covers

I don't know why the covers section was removed. I see other songs get a full cover section like this one had. As of Rod Stewart notable version, why don't it get a section like Melaine? and if Rod Stewart is the only noticeable one on the list as of "popular" or being favorable, than I see it as Editor's "opinion" and not actual truth. 2603:8090:1805:8D00:E0FA:91F7:DDEF:930F (talk) 19:02, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out, and I've reverted the good faith edit. I don't know about the later versions, but of the early covers, including Melanie's which was kept, were notable in their time. The Minnie Riperton-Rotary Connection cover and live performances, for instance, were notable and well-known. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:43, 13 June 2023 (UTC)