Talk:Ruff

Latest comment: 4 years ago by Wbm1058 in topic Requested move 15 July 2020

Requested move 15 July 2020

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: pages moved. wbm1058 (talk) 23:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)Reply


– The word "ruff" can mean anything. As shown by the pageviews, Ruff (clothing) actually gets more views (48k) than the bird (25k). However, I wouldn't go so far as to say that readers are much more likely to want the article of clothing than the bird, so I don't think the clothing should be primary topic either. Google web results and Google Books show no clear dominant meaning, while Google News and Scholar are mostly people with the surname Ruff. Disambiguation seems to be the best option here. King of ♥ 02:46, 15 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

  • status quo I can't say that I'm in favour of the move; the primary meaning in the bird, with the article of clothing deriving from the male ruff's breeding finery. I'm not in favour of changes that result in neither of the major uses being direct links Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:46, 15 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
    "I'm not in favour of changes that result in neither of the major uses being direct links" - this was the kind of argument that resulted in the state of New York remaining at the title New York for over a decade, despite not being the clear primary topic. Ultimately, the correct determination of primary topic (or lack thereof) takes precedence over making life slightly more convenient for half our readers. Also, I think you've got it backwards; Ruff#Taxonomy and nomenclature actually implies that the name of the bird was derived from the clothing. -- King of ♥ 13:41, 15 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
    @Jimfbleak: does KOH's point about the naming being the other way round make you change you're view? Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:29, 17 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

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