Talk:Ruggero Leoncavallo

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Birthdaye is wrong. It is march 8 not april. Reference a zodiac birthday book as well as britannica.

Ruggero or Ruggiero?

I personally always use Ruggero, but which is proper?
NewYork1956 05:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I've usually seen it as Ruggero in decent reference books, but it seems unclear. Slonimsky has Ruggero; Grove V had Ruggiero, but later Groves may have changed it. I've looked for an discussion of the issue online, without success. My attention was drawn to this by noticing that the categories Arias by Ruggiero Leoncavallo and Compositions by Ruggiero Leoncavallo both use the Ruggiero spelling. The first category has exactly one entry, so it should probably not exist at all; and the second contains only sub-cats and no substantive entries, so again ... - but let's focus on the spelling issue here. At the very least, all of Wikipedia's references to the man should use a consistent spelling. -- JackofOz (talk) 14:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

"Standard operatic repertory" ?

Someone's full of shit. It's a meaningless anachronism. --76.224.87.17 (talk) 17:28, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Deutsche Oper Berlin

Re "Der Roland von Berlin (13 December 1904 Deutsche Oper, Berlin)" Did the Deutsche Oper Berlin exist in 1904. My understanding is that it didn't. Any thoughts? -- Kleinzach (talk) 06:52, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I think there's a problem with the Chicago Opera Theater as well.--Kleinzach (talk) 07:50, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Alternative date of birth

Apparently, until relatively recently he was believed to have been born on 8 March 1857 or 1858, and these dates still appear all over the web [1]. The correct date 23 April 1857 has been established, but we need to say something to explicitly put 8 March to rest. Does anyone have the story of how the wrong date got into the literature? -- JackofOz (talk) 12:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

• I've now added a footnote referencing the correct date to four recent sources. I have no idea how the wrong date came about, but it was even used in the older, e.g. 1980, edition of Grove. Best Voceditenore (talk) 10:08, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

All the sources cited in that footnote except one are prior to 2000. New Grove Dic of Music and Musicians (not Grove Opera), 2000 edition, quotes 8 March. Who's right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8A0:6110:8801:5578:3388:9FE1:49BF (talk) 18:08, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

I note above the sentence "The correct date 23 April 1857 has been established, but..." I'm wondering where and when Leoncavallo's birthdate has been established — not to be argumentative, just genuinely curious. Is there a particular article or other work of scholarship on this, and if so from where and when? I am finding both March 8 and April 23 given as conflicting dates by sources that I normally consider reputable and reliable. And then I found at the Library of Congress website

http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/n79127150.html

a page indicating (if I read it correctly) Leoncavallo's birthdate to be 1858-03-18! And under the sources, a reference to a facsimile birth certificate for the April 23 date — and then a note that "Leoncavallo always claimed to have been born 3/8/1858"! If I had access to the very latest editions of the various Grove reference works I might consider their scholarship as definitive, but alas I don't. The older edition of Grove that I do have, however, gives Leoncavallo's birthdate as, yup, March 8, 1858. Where is the scholarship on this question?

NicholasNotabene (talk) 13:52, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

The list of sources given overleaf, currently Note 3, seems convincing. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:16, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Song list removed

I'm removing the song list from the article page for the following reasons:

1. It is a copied verbatim from http://www.ruggeroleoncavallo.it/elenco.htm and is possibly in violation of copyright.
2. It is too long, swamps the article, and is of very limited intererest to the general reader. Whoever added it should consider starting a separate page, e.g. Songs by Ruggero Leoncavallo
3. The information about the songs (lyricist, publisher, occasion of composition, instrumentation, etc.) is not in English.
4. The formatting is not the one used in Wikipedia.

Note if a new page such as Songs by Ruggero Leoncavallo is started, the list cannot be simply pasted in from http://www.ruggeroleoncavallo.it/elenco.htm. It must be correctly formatted, all accompanying information must be in English, and it must referenced as to its source. Voceditenore (talk) 17:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with what you are saying and do not wish to change it: I disagree, however, that the list was "copyright" - you never know, I may the one to have provided the list to that site in the first place! In any event to say that Leoncavallo composed "x" song is not copyright. The industry and research maybe copyright in certain circumstances, but all one has to do is to search the copyright (SECAM for example) lists and copy and paste. Trust me I'm a lawyer... well... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.30.91 (talk) 13:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's borderline. The names of the songs aren't, of course, but the formatting and wording of the descriptions are definitely lifted in toto from ruggeroleoncavallo.it which does not display a GFDL-compatible license. To be on the safe side, it's better not to have it on display. There would be no problem in using the actual list of song names for Songs by Ruggero Leoncavallo, as long as it's re-formatted properly and all descriptions, including the instrumentation, is in English, with credit given to the original source. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 06:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Categories use the wrong name

The category Category:Compositions by Ruggiero Leoncavallo and its subcat spells his name as Ruggiero, while this article says it is an incorrect spelling. Can someone sort this out? – Alensha ^talk 14:47, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

This issue was first raised in 2007. See "Ruggero or Ruggiero?" above. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 19:27, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

And yet again, with the page move this time

Discussion of the spelling of the composer's first name -- Ruggero or Ruggiero -- taking place at the Opera project here. I'm skeptical of the absolute certainty attributed to "Ruggiero" spelling, given the consistent use of "Ruggero" in reliable references for the last 60 years, and the "Ruggero" on the composer's own tombstone. Antandrus (talk) 06:55, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

The article has been moved back to Ruggero. I suggest that it should not be renamed again without a consensus. --Robert.Allen (talk) 05:05, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Robert.Allen is correct. Please do not move this page again without seeking consensus on this talk page first by using Template:Requested move. The page has now been moved twice in the last two days, each time by editors who did so with no discussion whatsoever. This has become incredibly disruptive. Over 250 pages + a template are linked to this article. Every time this page is moved, it creates all sorts of issues, including double redirects and extra work to sort out. Voceditenore (talk) 08:26, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Agreed; it's a messy move; let's discuss it before moving again (I currently slightly prefer "Ruggero" but am persuadable if there is some compelling evidence it should be "Ruggiero"). Antandrus (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Finally I'll ask the Leoncavallo Foundation about it. Gerhard51 (talk) 21:59, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Police magistrate > judge

I have changed "police magistrate", which is an istitution only of some countries, into judge; to be precise, his father was a pretore, which was then the lowest court in Italy. --Sandribus (talk) 14:02, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

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