Talk:Run Run Run (Tokio Hotel song)
Latest comment: 9 years ago by Another Believer in topic Separate articles?
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Cover discussion
editDiscussions on whether this is a cover version can be discussed in here. Points to consider though:
- Based on the liner notes, Tokio Hotel had additional writing for their version, while the Rock Mafia had additional writing for Clarkson's.
- Clarkson claimed "I have never seen this & apparently finding out through my publisher that the other writers didn't submit y'all as writers".
Separate articles?
editShould this article be split into separate ones for Tokyo Hotel and Kelly Clarkson? I find this slightly confusing. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:54, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- I would like that, too. But the status of the song is weird. Should I put a current event template on it as Clarkson is still verifying her publishers on whether or not this is a cover or a different song. Chihciboy (talk) 20:59, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- She tweeted to Tokio Hotel, "I am a writer myself so please know that I am going to help fix this. I would love to send y'all the original demo I was sent." Chihciboy (talk) 21:01, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- I agree that this seems like a unique situation. I am curious, though, why did you create a single article if you also believe there should be two separate articles? I don't mean this as a criticism. Just a curiosity. Obviously, Run Run Run (Tokio Hotel song) and Run Run Run (Kelly Clarkson song) would reference one another, but if they are being used as promotional singles to promote different albums, it might be worth splitting them, especially if they both chart and/or receive significant press coverage/reviews. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:03, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Because they are essentially the same song, and Tokio Hotel claimed this Clarkson's is a cover. Now if that was proven through, I would just re-arrange the content for Clarkson's version to appear as a cover, and propose a move for the page to Run Run Run (Tokio Hotel song) quickly. Chihciboy (talk) 21:06, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- I see. OK, I guess that makes sense. Then, I suppose it would only be necessary to fork the Clarkson version to its own article if the article got too long... ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:08, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Again, maybe I am just misunderstanding, but should the article not already be moved to Run Run Run (Tokio Hotel song)? Seems they wrote the song and originally recorded it? ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:09, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- If you feel we have to move it, I'm okay with it. It's just that Tokio Hotel only credited to have co-written their version, while the Rock Mafia was credited in Clarkson's version instead. Chihciboy (talk) 21:16, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- I guess I don't understand then. Just seems the current article title is inconsistent with other song articles. It looks like TH and Clarkson collaborated on the song. I think it should either be moved to TH, or they should have their own articles and both include a Background section about the connection between the two. Especially if they feature different credits and both serve as promotional singles, separation may be better. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:21, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Want me to propose a split now? Or move to TH? Chihciboy (talk) 21:26, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- If you are willing and don't oppose, you might consider moving the Clarkson content over to Run Run Run (Kelly Clarkson song). If things change and Clarkson concedes that she covered this song, then the content can be moved to the TH article. But, at least the content will be untangled and people can continue to expand both articles with content specific to each artist. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:28, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Want me to propose a split now? Or move to TH? Chihciboy (talk) 21:26, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- I guess I don't understand then. Just seems the current article title is inconsistent with other song articles. It looks like TH and Clarkson collaborated on the song. I think it should either be moved to TH, or they should have their own articles and both include a Background section about the connection between the two. Especially if they feature different credits and both serve as promotional singles, separation may be better. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:21, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- If you feel we have to move it, I'm okay with it. It's just that Tokio Hotel only credited to have co-written their version, while the Rock Mafia was credited in Clarkson's version instead. Chihciboy (talk) 21:16, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Because they are essentially the same song, and Tokio Hotel claimed this Clarkson's is a cover. Now if that was proven through, I would just re-arrange the content for Clarkson's version to appear as a cover, and propose a move for the page to Run Run Run (Tokio Hotel song) quickly. Chihciboy (talk) 21:06, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- I agree that this seems like a unique situation. I am curious, though, why did you create a single article if you also believe there should be two separate articles? I don't mean this as a criticism. Just a curiosity. Obviously, Run Run Run (Tokio Hotel song) and Run Run Run (Kelly Clarkson song) would reference one another, but if they are being used as promotional singles to promote different albums, it might be worth splitting them, especially if they both chart and/or receive significant press coverage/reviews. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:03, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- She tweeted to Tokio Hotel, "I am a writer myself so please know that I am going to help fix this. I would love to send y'all the original demo I was sent." Chihciboy (talk) 21:01, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Both artists should not be included in the page's title. If anything, it should be Tokio Hotel with a sub-section dedicated to Clarkson's rendition, as per standard of other articles tackling the same nature. livelikemusic my talk page! 21:31, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- I really think is a cover too, so kind of moved it. But as there is no published primary source for BOTH parties claiming that TH has the original and Clarkson's is the cover. We shouldn't be too quick to count it out just yet. The main primaries, the liner notes of the releases themselves, contradict each other. And the TH claim on Twitter was actually a josepvinaixa.com screen grab. Chihciboy (talk) 21:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Josepvinaixa is far from a reliable source, so that fact that the band are using them is quite comical. It's clear, from what I've seen, that the demo was given to both TH and KC, and they each did something to do from the original demo they received... what they did? Who knows! livelikemusic my talk page! 21:42, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Agreed, Josepvinaixa is not reliable. I took a stab at trying to separate the content, but I am not sure how successfully. We can always revert. My goal was to have a single Background section for the content that is applicable to both, with subsequent sections for the content which is unique to each version. This is a funny situation... ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:04, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Josepvinaixa is far from a reliable source, so that fact that the band are using them is quite comical. It's clear, from what I've seen, that the demo was given to both TH and KC, and they each did something to do from the original demo they received... what they did? Who knows! livelikemusic my talk page! 21:42, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- It's actually a very sad situation; Clarkson was mislead (by RCA Records) in this situation, and is now receiving death threats to both her and her daughter, over a damn song. livelikemusic my talk page! 22:10, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- I was not aware. I've not done any research about this song, and actually, when I said "funny" I meant "odd" not haha funny. User:livelikemusic, do you like the article's current format? ----Another Believer (Talk) 22:11, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Also, I imagine both sections could use additional expanding, especially if Clarkson's version has received a lot of coverage. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:14, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Apparently there is also an Interscope Records artist claiming to have also received the same demo, but passed on to the project. Chihciboy (talk) 22:21, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- It's actually a very sad situation; Clarkson was mislead (by RCA Records) in this situation, and is now receiving death threats to both her and her daughter, over a damn song. livelikemusic my talk page! 22:10, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- I personally think that the article should be moved to Run Run Run (Kelly Clarkson song), as she was the first one to record the song. But it may be too soon to determine that. I feel like this is gonna get messy. — Status (talk · contribs) 01:59, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
- I am confused still, then, because the release date for TH's version is earlier than the release date for KC's version. ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:23, 2 March 2015 (UTC)