Talk:Russian occupations of Beirut/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Catlemur (talk · contribs) 23:10, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

I will start the review shortly.--Catlemur (talk) 23:10, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Lead

• No issues

Background

• Briefly mention why the war broke out.

• Y Done Fitzcarmalan (talk) 06:17, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

• Mention that the a Greek revolt did indeed break out (Orlov revolt).

• Y Done Fitzcarmalan (talk) 06:17, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

First occupation

• The Russian article on the Archipelago Expedition contains additional details on the occupation including Marko Ivanovich Voinovich's role. I will try to incorporate some of that information.

End of Ali Bey's revolt

• Please clarify what ":287" means on reference number 18.

• Y Done Fitzcarmalan (talk) 06:17, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Second occupation

• Wikilink and clearly define the connection between Zahir and Shihab and their respective clans in the main body of the text.

• Please clarify what you mean by that. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 06:17, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

What I meant to say is that there are two clans mentioned in the section's infobox that are not otherwise mentioned in the main body of the article. I suppose they are Zahir's and Shihab's respective clans but as of right now this is simply implied instead of being clearly stated.--Catlemur (talk) 19:25, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I chose to delink them instead for the following reasons: a) The sources I used make no mention of "clans"; b) I just found it suitable to have them linked for our readers should they find the articles interesting to browse through; c) the Zaydanis[1] and the Shihabs[2] weren't homogeneous entities, and there was a lot of infighting within those clans; and d) I had no intention of including an infobox in the first place. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 04:56, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

• If possible add a painting/modern day image of one of the fortifications/ships involved in the conflict.

• I'm not really aware of any. Maybe some of the ships involved in Beirut can be found in this or other Aivazovsky paintings, since Anderson mentions that the Sv. Nikolai and the Nadezhda participated in the battles of Chesma and Chios respectively. But I don't know where I could find any details about those paintings. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 06:17, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Aftermath and legacy

• The Treaty of Küçük Kaynarca opened up new trade routes into the Ottoman Empire for ships sailing under the Russian flag including the Middle East, please mention that.

• Y Done Fitzcarmalan (talk) 06:17, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

@Catlemur: Since Russian is your native language, can you help me figure out Perminov's first name. The "P." doesn't really work for me. Du Quenoy transliterates his work as following:

P. Perminov, “Tri epizoda iz istorii russko-arabskikh sviazei v XVIII veke. Epizod vtoroi: vziatie Beiruta,” Aziia i Afrika segodnia 8 (1987): 56–58.

Couldn't find the name on Google though. Can you try typing it in Russian? I tried Google Translate but it didn't work either. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 06:39, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I found a historian named Петр Владимирович Перминов (Petr Perminov) who published a work on the Hospitaliers in 1991 this is most probably him, however all references to Tri epizoda list the author simply as P. Perminov.--Catlemur (talk) 19:25, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I did a dup and copyvio check and they seem fine. I will try to incorporate information from the Archipelago Expedition article sometime later. The article covers the topic in a neutral manner, in reasonable detail and is reliably sourced. Overall it meets the GA criteria and is a pass, congratulations.--Catlemur (talk) 10:49, 19 May 2018 (UTC)