Talk:São Paulo Metro

Complete table system

Line	Terminals	Length (km)	Stations	System
1	Tucuruvi ↔ Jabaquara	20,2	23	Metro
2	Vila Madalena ↔ Cidade Tiradentes	16,9	15	Metro
3	Palmeiras-Barra Funda ↔ Corinthians-Itaquera	22	18	Metro
4	Luz ↔ Vila Sônia	12,8	11	Metro
5	Capão Redondo ↔ Chácara Klabin	14,1	17	Metro
6	Brasilândia ↔ São Joaquim	14,9	25	Metro
7	Luz ↔ Jundiaí	60,5	17	CPTM
8	Júlio Prestes ↔ Amador Bueno	41,7	24	CPTM
9	Osasco ↔ Grajaú	31,8	18	CPTM
10	Luz ↔ Rio Grande da Serra	37,2	14	CPTM
11	Luz ↔ Estudantes	50,8	16	CPTM
12	Brás ↔ Calmon Viana	38,8	13	CPTM
13	Brás ↔ Zézinho Magalhães	20,2	5	CPTM
14	Luz ↔ Guarulhos	28,3	3	CPTM
15	Vila Prudente ↔ Tiquatira	10	9	Metro
16	Cachoeirinha ↔ Lapa	8	10	Metro
17	Morumbi ↔ São Judas/Jabaquara	14,1	5	Metro
18	Luz ↔ Mauá	25,2	6	CPTM
19	Suzano ↔ Estudantes	11	13,8	CPTM
Grand Total	-	481.3	241	Metro-CPTM

I see you put a lot of effort on this, so good job. However, I dare you to find actual trustworthy and up-to-date sources supporting half of this table. Besides, this is the page for the Metro system, I find it to be very out of place the addition of CPTM lines. Leave that to the general São Paulo transportation article. Pedro Nardi (talk) 01:33, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Bus Terminals

The entire Bus Terminals section is copied from http://www.metro.sp.gov.br/ingles/services/bus_terminal/tebus_terminal.shtml. Please rewrite or remove. Rwalker (talk) 13:45, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Upon further review, large parts of this article are copied directly from the official website. Rwalker (talk) 14:00, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Changes

I just did an overhaul of the article. The major change was removing mention of line 4 as if it were operated by the Metro, and extensive information about CPTM with should be on that company's page, not here. Other than that, I separated history stuff from the overview, brought the current lines and expansion info nearer to the top and did some small change to the wording.

Still, the history section is lacking, and the expansion section is very outdated, I'll see later what I can do about those, if no one updates them before I do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.120.97.231 (talk) 18:58, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

I am reverting these changes. The article is about the SP metro system, not about a company. Line 4 is a part of the SP metro. The article mentions that it is operated by ViaQuatro. That does not mean that it is not part of the SP metro. Also, CPTM is only mentioned as a system with which the metro links. This is essential information to the article, because many stations are shared by a metro line and a CPTM line. The SP government evens numbers the lines all as one system, with some being metro and some being CPTM. Metro and CPTM are separate articles because one is a metro system, and one is a commuter rail system. I am reverting the edits on these grounds: Line 4 is a part of the SP metro, regardless of the operator of the line. If you still wish to remove such a large amount of content, please discuss it here first. jsfouche ☽☾Talk 21:21, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Note that even in the Infobox, the "operator"parameter indicates who operates the system. The standard way to do this is to have an article on the system. The "operator" parameter was created to mention who operates the system. jsfouche ☽☾Talk 21:24, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

As I said, there is no "SP Metro System", there is the SP Metro, a company, and the awfully named "Sistema metro-ferroviário" system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.120.97.231 (talk) 17:28, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Every other Wikipedia, including the Portuguese one, includes Line 4 in the article, and calls the system the SP Metro. People from SP call Line 4 part of the SP metro. jsfouche ☽☾Talk 23:14, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

I know! What most people call it is not very relevant, as it's a linguistic oddity. Most people call the CPTM "trem", should we rename CPTM's article "SP Trains"? No, because it's properly called CPTM.

Oh, and different language wiki articles are heavily based on each other, so that's not an argument at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.162.198.176 (talk) 13:57, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

No answer in about ten days, so changing it back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.233.48.131 (talk) 20:19, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Line 4 is a part of the SP Metro. To say otherwise is illogical. jsfouche ☽☾Talk 20:31, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Yet, you fail to give any logical reason for that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.233.48.91 (talk) 16:59, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Other than the fact that it is? I mean, go to the official Line 4 page. It does say that ViaQuatro operates it, but it clearly lists it as Line 4 of the SP Metro. Also, there is not consensus to remove the information. Please do not so so again.jsfouche ☽☾Talk 19:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, now I'm confused. Earlier you said that the SP Metro System and the Cia. do Metropolitano de SP are different things, but now you use the later's webpage to try to prove that L4 belongs to the earlier? That line appears there because it was built by the CMSP, it even appears with its logo instead of V4's.

However, using that website we find further proof of my point: the main page does not show information about L4, and the "rede" tab shows all the Metro, V4 and CPTM lines together (as almost all maps always do).

I had changed info back because you were refusing to discuss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.233.48.91 (talk) 16:15, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Further, this article shows a profound confusion about what the SP Metro is. It is very extensive about the CMSP: the service, metro station art, and bus terminal section refer only to the company, not to any alleged system, and there's an entire section about CPTM, which is not part of the Metro by any means. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.233.48.91 (talk) 16:29, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Line 4-Yellow is part of the São Paulo Metro. If you research properly, you will realize that it was the Companhia do Metropolitano de São Paulo that built the whole line. Besides, ViaQuatro is a Concessionaire. It does not own the line, simply operates and maintains it. Read the actual law that granted them this right and it will become very clear to you that I am right. Pedro Nardi (talk) 01:39, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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Bus tokens as money?

There was some news some years back about the city of São Paulo using bus tokens to patch over a rough spot in their budget, resulting in metro tokens being used as a currency throughout the city. Does this incident deserve a section in the main article, or could anyone provide a good link to a source about this story here in the discussion section? 69.76.179.81 (talk) 18:52, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure this never happened... could I please see your sources? Pedro Nardi (talk) 01:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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New line projects

As they stand today, the projects section includes a lot of speculation, since most of the lines on this section either never were announced by the Metro corporation or are very early in their development cycles, being susceptible to massive changes every time some information about them becomes public. It is my point of view (and one shared among the majority of editors in the Portuguese page, the main one for this topic) that lines should only be added to the projects section upon conclusion of their respective "basic projects", documents created by the Metro corporation that both indicate that the line in question is actually under development and serve as a basis for future construction. After the basic project is finalized, changes to length and station positioning are rare, more suitable for publication on Wikipedia. Pedro Nardi (talk) 01:28, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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