Talk:SOS (SZA album)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Remove the dots in incorrect stylization of the title

It still says “S.O.S” altho SZA herself uses it without the dots (“SOS”) plus Apple Music confirmed it today for it to be the case. Someone already changed it in the article so only the title. That’s all. Sorry! :) Tengoritmo (talk) 00:22, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

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"Good Days" or "Shirt" as the lead single?

@Fullmoon211: I have reverted your edits to this article (+ Good Days, I Hate U (SZA song), and Shirt (song)) that changed the lead single from "Good Days" to "Shirt". Though I agree that this one is a bit of a tricky situation, so I don't hold it against you that you decided to boldly change the singles listing. Hopefully we (and perhaps a couple other roaming editors) can come to a consensus about this.

Now you cite these Billboard and Rolling Stone sources that describe the lead single as "Shirt" as justification for your changes. That would have been a-ok if it weren't for the other sources that in contrast assign it to "Good Days" (The Recording Academy, The Guardian, The Line of Best Fit, and implicitly NPR Music), and the fact that those very publications you cited have also called "Shirt" the third single (Rolling Stone said "In the video for 'Shirt,' the third single off her stellar new album" and Billboard said "She released 'Shirt' as the third single from her critically acclaimed — and currently No. 1 on the Billboard 200 — sophomore album".

So the sources themselves seem to disagree on the matter. Where do we turn to in this case? Well, we have to defer to Template:Infobox album#Template:Singles, which states that for a track to be included in the singles section in the infobox, it must be released "as part of the marketing and promotion of the album on which it appears." It also advises that for grey-area scenarios it's best to start discussions on the talk page. And here we are.

The key here is that if "Good Days" was released as part of promotion for SOS, then we include it in Template:Singles, and by Wikipedia standards that makes it our lead single. Which it does. As our own article states, SZA had "alluded to potentially releasing her second album as early as August 2019", and in the relevant interview she said "I think I might just start dropping loosies." By early 2020, we get confirmation that the album's creation has wrapped and talks of a release date had begun, which should be an indicator that a new promotional cycle or "era" is afoot. "Good Days" was released over a year after that "dropping loosies" comment and around 10 months after that confirmation. Hence it's part of the album rollout, no matter how far away it was from the actual release date, no matter the fact that "Shirt" was closer to the official album announcement. ‍ ‍ Elias 🌊 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "Will you call me?"}
_{📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?"} 06:10, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Gone Girl

I believe this song is heavily inspired by She's Gone by Daryl Hall and John Oates. The melody is there, plus the "you better learn how to face it" lyric. How is it uncredited in the list of songwriters? Scottwebbok (talk) 14:10, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Non neutral point of view

Hi, I stumbled across this article, and after a quick look I found some issues with it, including the tone and some misinterpretations of sources.

The "Composition" section started off saying that "SOS is a multi-genre album", when sources provided for the statement say: "The album's roots are planted in R&B", "seamlessly blends pop, R&B, hip-hop". To say that it's a "multi genre album", there is a misinterpretation of what the sources provided actually say. The sources say that it's an R&B/pop/hip-hop album. Saying it's a "multi-genre" work gives the statement a fan perspective tone. Another issue I found in the same section is more blatant. There was this part that said “The sound of the album was described as "a varied palette"”, omitting who described it as such, which is the singer herself! Making it look like a critic described it as such.

Regarding the tone, in the "promotion" section it was stated that "over a two-plus year period as she continued to perfect the album". I find this type of wording not appropriate per WP: NPOV, and it looks like this tone is prevalent on the article. DollysOnMyMind (talk) 23:24, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

@DollysOnMyMind: Thank you for the helpful edits. My only disagreement is your considering the "multi-genre album" bit a "fan perspective", as it is very much written down in RS. Please check the citations I have now added. ‍ ‍ Elias 🌊 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "Will you call me?"}
_{📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?"} 00:18, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

that statement is now surely supported in a more proper way with The Recording Academy source DollysOnMyMind (talk) 07:22, 11 December 2023 (UTC)