Talk:SS Belgenland (1914)
Latest comment: 2 years ago by Motacilla in topic Sistership annotation
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Sistership annotation
editThe Justicia and Belganland were not sisters or near sisters. Built for different companies and each vessel of a different design and size. Bigubuddy (talk) 17:03, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- There's a serious lack of sourcing and accuracy throughout this article. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:25, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- I agree with both of you. I have deleted the bogus claim about Justicia being a sister ship, and I have added a source verifying that Belgenland had no sister.
- I have also deleted the claim that in 1935 Belgenland ran a scheduled service between New York and California via the Panama Canal. "The Yard" website about Harland & Wolff makes the claim, I assume quoting Nicholas Bonsor's 1975 book Atlantic Seaway. But I have found no evidence from 1935 of such sailings in or out of New York. Panama Pacific Line once operated such a service, but that does not prove it put Columbia on the route. Motacilla (talk) 16:55, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Image identification
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Can anyone identify this image? Both date and location? Andy Dingley (talk) 12:52, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- I see the photo is dated 1905 which would make it a photo of the earlier Belgenland of 1885, the stern layout supports this, but by 1905 she had been renamed Venere and sold to Italy. There's a chance it is a photo of her being broken up at an Italian yard, the new name never having been applied to her stern. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 13:28, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- There are three screws and she's almost complete, so I think this has to be 1914. But where is it? That doesn't look like Harland & Wolff - at least, not the Olympic slipways. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:51, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- OK, I think I've solved it. It's the old No 1 slipway, which was alongside the Olympic ways (2 & 3). The one of the original four slipways which wasn't removed when the others were replaced to build the Olympics. A few of the sources are wrong, as they number the big ways as 1 & 2. Belgenland wasn't built on them. I don't know if the ways were ever renumbered later? Andy Dingley (talk) 14:43, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry, I missed the third screw. If the date is a misprint for 1915 It would be before she was taken over as the Belgic. Failing that it would be when she was converted to a liner in 1923 but I can't see the screws being removed for that. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 18:29, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- OK, I think I've solved it. It's the old No 1 slipway, which was alongside the Olympic ways (2 & 3). The one of the original four slipways which wasn't removed when the others were replaced to build the Olympics. A few of the sources are wrong, as they number the big ways as 1 & 2. Belgenland wasn't built on them. I don't know if the ways were ever renumbered later? Andy Dingley (talk) 14:43, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- There are three screws and she's almost complete, so I think this has to be 1914. But where is it? That doesn't look like Harland & Wolff - at least, not the Olympic slipways. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:51, 20 October 2019 (UTC)