Talk:SS Cayuga

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Capsulecap (talk) 18:45, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

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Cayuga before she was launched

• ... that the six-year-old steel freighter Cayuga (pictured) was sunk by a wooden freighter twenty years older than her? The 100 Best Great Lakes Shipwrecks – Volume II
  • ALT1:... that the steel package freighter Cayuga (pictured) was one of the first steel freighters on the Great Lakes? Cayuga - Straits of Mackinac Shipwreck Preserve

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/ERV Nene Hatun

Created by GreatLakesShips (talk). Self-nominated at 01:58, 8 August 2021 (UTC).

• I want to jump in here to say that that hook is great! I checked the article, and it indeed checks out.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 13:10, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

• Now that the QPQ is done, I think we're good to go. Length, hook, citation, and everything else seems to be in line!--Gen. Quon (Talk) 13:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

To T:DYK/P6

Lloyds and libel

After an enjoyable read of this article I have one query about the aftermath section. At the moment it says that Lloyds libeled the ship and it links to the defamation topic which is exactly what the source says. This doesn't make a lot of sense to me as I didn't think you can libel an inanimate object. From the context in the source it seems to relate to insurance, possibly some archaic derivative of liability, and that the insurance pay out was $200,000. I've done some googling and I can't find any other uses of libel in this context. Anyone else have any ideas? RicDod (talk) 21:01, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

My guess is the owners were libeled. GreatLakesShips (talk) 16:40, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:SS Cayuga/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lectrician2 (talk · contribs) 23:27, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Edit's Needed to proceed with final review

The lead section does not comply with Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section as it is not what would be considered concise. You essentially copy and pasted the part about it's final voyage from the "Final voyage" section. The lead section should be a summary, not a full on article. I would also like you make the section on the rescue of the ship in the lead section more concise.

In the History Service History section it states "She cost $250,000 (equivalent to $6.62 million in 2019) to build." This does not seem very applicable to service history, and instead should be placed in the design and construction section of history.

In the History Service History section it states "In November 1891, Cayuga collided with the wooden package freighter Delaware off Cheboygan, Michigan." This is somewhat of a stub section of a paragraph, and I would like to see more info here, but if there isn't anymore info to find, I understand.

Final Review

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Pass.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Pass.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Pass.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Pass.
	2c. it contains no original research.	Pass.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	Pass.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Pass.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Pass.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	Pass.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Pass.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	Pass.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Pass.
	7. Overall assessment.	Great job! You just made SS Cayuga a good article!

Units and tons

There were some odd numbers in here. For example "carrying capacity of 984 long tons". The source doesn't say that. It says "1000 tons". I have changed these numbers to match what the sources say. The source doesn't specify, but these are certainly not metric tons, and almost certainly long tons, not short tons. I have removed the conversions to short tons because they don't seem useful. I have also reduced the precision. "About 3000 tons" should not be converted with four significant digits.

I have also removed the conversions for register tonnage. This is not a measure of weight, and can't be converted to metric tons. GA-RT-22 (talk) 16:39, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

There is no diver trapped under a salvage barge. That is a rumor started by Steele.

There is no diver trapped under a salvage barge. That is a rumor started by Steele. 2601:589:4101:711:256B:A88F:6B62:827F (talk) 07:58, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

@2601:589:4101:711:256B:A88F:6B62:827F: Is there a reliable source to back it up? GreatLakesShips 🤘 (talk - contribs) 11:32, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

There are two sources for this. Kohl says "lore has it that..." so he's just repeating a rumor he heard. McGreevy says one diver died, but doesn't say how. GA-RT-22 (talk) 12:28, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

@GA-RT-22: The article has been changed to reflect the alleged death. I meant a source that would confirm whether or not this was a rumour started by Steele. GreatLakesShips 🤘 (talk - contribs) 13:01, 2 September 2022 (UTC)