Talk:Franklin Avenue Shuttle

Improvement needed

This article needs a spell check and a little more information. --imdanumber1 20:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

What kind of information do you have in mind? This article is about the shuttle service. There is also an article about the line itself. -- Cecropia 15:45, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

If you check the other shuttle's subway line info table, that is what I had in mind. --imdanumber1 21:16, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was move. -- tariqabjotu 03:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

S – Franklin Avenue Shuttle (New York City Subway service) → Franklin Avenue Shuttle — I am also proposing to move S – 42nd Street Shuttle (New York City Subway service) to 42nd Street Shuttle. These are the only things that have these names. The unwieldly diambiguation is not needed; a much simpler name can be used. --NE2 16:11, 21 February 2007 (UTC) NE2 16:11, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

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Survey - in support of the move

1. Support. Unnecessary disambiguation is clutter. It's easy to figure out it's a NYC Subway service from the lede. That's too much information for the title if it's not necessary to disambiguate. – flamurai (t) 20:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
2. Support Don't disambiguate unless necessary. --Polaron | Talk 23:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
3. Changed to support. --Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
4. Support per above. Tinlinkin 12:12, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey - in opposition to the move

# Oppose. I really don't see the point in moving the article. The current title is just fine. --Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs) 16:40, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

1. Why is that a reason to oppose? Or are there reasons you don't think the new name would be "just fine"? --NE2 17:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Changed to Support, as Flamurai's suggestion makes a good decision for move. --Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with BMT Franklin Avenue Line

Closing own merge nomination since it is apparent that they are significantly different, unlike 42nd Street Shuttle. epicgenius (talk) 16:04, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

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The Franklin Avenue Shuttle and BMT Franklin Avenue Line have coexisted for all of the shuttle's history, like 42nd Street Shuttle. However, the shuttle was created after the line was truncated. Most shuttle changes were because the line was modified. epicgenius (talk) 18:43, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

1. Strong Oppose. The service is different from the line. The history of the line should be separate from the history of the service. The shuttle was part of the old Brighton Line which connected to the Fulton Street El. The shuttle was only created when the St. Felix Street connection to DeKalb Avenue was built, rerouting most of the traffic on the line. All the way into the 1960s on summer weekends trains ran from Fulton Street/Franklin Avenue to Coney Island using the Brighton Line. Does that seem fitting for a page that is supposed to only be about the trackage of the Line, as the title BMT Franklin Avenue Line. I am not surprised that this discussion has been restarted, but I am solidly opposed to it.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:23, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

   I know. The tracks used to be part of the Brighton Line, though. All of the Franklin Shuttle service patterns were on the Franklin Line (when it was part of the Brighton), unlike the 7 or L trains, which is why I am not nominating these. epicgenius (talk) 22:54, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

2. Oppose, per User:Kew Gardens 613. As for the 42nd Street Shuttle, the line that it uses was originally part of the "Old Main Line" of the New York City Subway, but I'm not calling for a split of the line from the service there. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 12:11, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
3. Oppose, per User:Kew Gardens 613, operationally this is a separate service. The rebuild at the end of the 1990s greatly decreased the possibility of any kind of through service by reducing the platform length. It would take another major rebuild to make any such thing possible. Graham1973 (talk) 12:50, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
4. Oppose. Kew Gardens 613 hit the nail on the head. One article describes the history of the physical line, one describes the service and its many forms over the years. While they do coexist with each other in a way, they are still two separate entities and should remain that way. —LRG5784 (talk · contribs · email) 16:26, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

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