Talk:Saab Automobile

Free running clutch.

In the part about the free running clutch it should be mentioned that it was added because on occasion the engine could start and run backwards. The 2 cycle engine unlike the 4 cycle engine would run in either direction. Arydberg (talk) 19:43, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Got a source for that? // Liftarn (talk)

Updated to be current?

I feel like this article focuses too much on Saab's past and closure by GM and should focus on the next few years as NEVS restructures the company and restarts production. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bailmoney27 (talk • contribs) 15:40, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Aircraft production

The article makes the nonsensical claim that Saab stopped making fighter planes after WWII. Perhaps the writer needs to do some basic research. Here is a good starting point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_Draken — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.218.180 (talk) 12:23, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Saab vs SAAB

Recently, an editor attempted to change all instances of "Saab" to "SAAB" in Saab 96. It appears that until 1969, when the company became "Saab-Scania," SAAB would have been the correct appellation, as it was an acronym of "Svenska Aeroplan AB." What say others? User:HopsonRoad 15:56, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Production and sales status

The article notes that Nevs is in significant debt, and that they have stopped producing cars and lost the brand licence as of Q2 2014. Can someone clarify if they are still producing, and what the current status is? This article and Saab 9-3 both need updating as a result. Luigi6138 (talk) 01:25, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2015

National Electric Vehicle Sweden (2012–present)

Last sentence in this section now reads:

There was no indication that restarting production at the plant in Trollhättan, Sweden was planned.[63]

It should be changed to:

There was no indication that restarting production at the plant in Trollhättan, as planned.[63]

Rnagel (talk) 20:45, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Not done: The second sentence is not grammatically correct. Altamel (talk) 04:06, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Current or former?

Should the article be changed to say that Saab no longer exists? The current owners don't even have the right to use the name Saab. Te og kaker (talk) 12:40, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

@Te og kaker: If you're referring to the Turkish company that bought 9-3 they only bought the car design, not the company or the name. As for the most recent incarnation of the company, NEVS, it still exists AFAIK, but is under receivership after going bankrupt. Selling the design to Turkey was probably part of cleaning up that mess. Thomas.W ^talk 12:56, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

@Thomas.W: No, I'm thinking of NEVS. Saab AB has recently refused NEVS to use the name "Saab". I am a Saab lover, but I have to admit that Saab is no longer a brand of cars.:( Saab Cars is owned by NEVS, Saab AB doesn't allow NEVS to use the name... How can Saab then still exist? Te og kaker (talk) 18:48, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

@Te og kaker: "Saab Cars" is a company owned by NEVS by the trademark SAAB/Saab and the logo are owned by Saab AB (who owned the name and logo also during Saab Automobile's GM days, i.e. General Motors bought Saab Automobile, but not the name and the logo). The company Saab Cars/Saab Automobile still exists, even if the owner of the trademark doesn't allow them to put the trademarked name and logo on the cars, so yes, Saab Automobile still exists. Thomas.W ^talk 21:29, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Page Evaluation

Being one of my favorite car makers, I found it interesting to evaluate this article.

Is each fact referenced with an appropriate, reliable reference? I feel that after browsing through the article and reading some of the source material that the sources used here are reliable. With that being said, I did find a few bits of information that were not directly referenced (granted I may not have noticed said material in some of the sources I browsed through). Overall I think this page is in great shape.

Is everything in the article relevant to the article topic? Is there anything that distracted you? Everything here is completely relevant. I did not notice anything off topic while reading this page. The only thing that I did not see that I was hoping to was how Saab and GM teamed up with Subaru to produce the 9-2X model. While I am aware that it has its own page, I feel that it deserves a mention on the main page. I think it may also be worth noting the canceled model that was to be based off of the Subaru Tribeca.

Solid page guys, keep up the good work --OlsonA93 (talk) 01:32, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Aerodynamics?

A Saab owner (my brother) has told me that many of the Saab cars were exceptionally aerodynamic because the Saab automobile designers used the Saab aircraft windtunnel to test body designs. (He told me that his Saab's windshield-wiper blades had hardly any work to do, because the rain & snow would blow right over the top of the car, instead of hitting the windshield.) If someone (other than me) were able to find references to prove this assertion, perhaps she/he could add text (with citations) to that effect. ACWilson9 23:37, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry ACWilson9 , but as the owner of many different Saab models over several decades, I've never had one whose windshield was immune to precipitation. In fact, on my 1964 Saab 96, the windshield motor had a tendency to burn out, so I sent my brother under the dashboard to work the wiper linkage by hand! Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 04:07, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2018

Hello, I would like to submit two additions to the "Literature and the arts" section.

1. Hip hop group Ultramagnetic MC's declare, "I bought a Saab, a 1990 Turbo, shining fog lights in the front," in their song "Ease Back". https://www.flashlyrics.com/lyrics/ultramagnetic-mcs/ease-back-38

2. A black Saab 900 Turbo convertible, with aftermarket gold wheels, appears in the film Paid in Full. http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_218186-SAAB-900-Cabrio-1987.html

I also have an edit regarding Peter Hughes's "Saab 900 Aero". The car is not an Aero, but an SPG. The text should read "U.S.A.-specification Saab 900 SPG (a similarly equipped model was available in other markets internationally, and variably labelled Aero or T16S)." https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/hsx/2008/12/1985-1991-Saab-900-Turbo-SPG/1735887.html

Thanks!

71.168.225.98 (talk) 14:52, 1 March 2018 (UTC) 71.168.225.98 (talk) 14:52, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The first two requests require reliable sources to establish these instances are notable and more than passing mentions: Exhaustive, indiscriminate lists are discouraged, as are passing references to the article subject. Reliable sources are also required for corrections, not generic references. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:15, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2018

Hello there. Your Saab page incorrectly states that the Saab 96 had a 2 cycle engine. While this was available initially in the 96, the vast majority of the 96's have the Ford V4 4-cycle engine. I* know this because I owned one and did all my own work on the car, including pulling the engine/transaxle assembly to have the transmission overhauled. 2600:1700:65C0:A030:7DF2:DD46:143C:ACC8 (talk) 04:49, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 05:43, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

DannyS712 Going by the Saab 96 article, I think 2600:1700:65C0:A030:7DF2:DD46:143C:ACC8 is correct. Perhaps someone has a workshop manual publication from the period? Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:04, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

this should do it. It translates fine through Google. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:11, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Luxury status

AirportExpert - hope you'll agree that Saab didn't start out as a luxury marque, so I have amended the lead. Thanks for finding the US article. In the UK, Saab has tended to be thought of as "executive" rather thatn "luxury", but who knows what the difference is between those two? Tony Holkham (Talk) 18:45, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Tony Holkham Thank you for your thoughtful handling of this question. Indeed, the marque started as SAAB, a manufacturer of economy vehicles in the same class as the VW Beetle, and ended as Saab, a manufacturer of upscale vehicles. You can find U.S. News’ list of best luxury car brands of 2019 here. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 19:11, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Tony Holkham I do agree, so thank you for rephrasing the introduction. My interpretation regarding "executive" vs. "luxury", is that all European executive sedans sold in America are considered "luxury cars", so Americans just conflate the two terms. In fact, the only "non-luxury" European car brands sold in the US are Smart (soon to leave the US market), Fiat, Volkswagen (which only sold the Phaeton from 04-06 in the US) and MINI (which some consider entry-level luxury, myself not included). Since none of those brands manufacture large sedans, all large European sedans are luxury sedans by default. --AirportExpert (talk) 19:26, 7 November 2019 (UTC)AirportExpert

HopsonRoad and AirportExpert - thanks, both. I understand the US angle much better now. I think Saab (in the UK at least) aimed themselves at too-limited a market in the later years, when enthusiasts (including me) just enjoyed the innovative quirkiness and solid reliability - and were prepared to pay for it: it works out for the pocket, if you give it the chance; my 32-year-old 900i can attest to that. That's what Saab failed to get across. Great shame. Best wishes, Tony Tony Holkham (Talk) 19:51, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2021

Change of defunct date from 2012 to 2016. Because in 2016 Nevs announced they will no longer use the Saab trademark. Vsaab990 (talk) 14:12, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

I think because Saab Automobile became bankrupt in 2012, we should use this as the date it was effectively defunct. Yes, NEVS might continue to use the name SAAB for a few years, but they weren't Saab Automobiles (the subject of this article), only based on Saabs. That's my understanding, anyway. Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:32, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. The cars from 2012 until 21 June 2016 are Saab because the emblem on the hood bears the Saab branding, it doesn't care whose ownership it is. Nevs officially decides not to use the brand since June 2016 (even if it was already banned in 2014). This is my understanding = "On 2 December 2013, NEVS after having made agreements for the supply of some components that replaced those supplied by General Motors, resumed production of the 9-3 presenting some aesthetic updates and mounting the TTiD diesel engine. On 10 December 2013, marketing of the 9-3 resumed in Sweden and China. On May 20 2014 NEVS stopped production due to the termination of the agreement with Qingdao. On August 28 2014 NEVS filed for bankruptcy protection. The following day SAAB Group AB canceled the license to use the SAAB brand. In February 2016 Saab Group AB again affirmed the ban on the use of the SAAB brand and the griffin logo. On 21 June 2016, NEVS no longer licensed, announced that it will no longer use the SAAB brand." Vsaab990 (talk) 09:05, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Changed it. Not a hugely important aspect. Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:55, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much! It is important because journalists and professionals of the automotive world very often find information on wikipedia which is considered a reliable source. They quickly read the dates without knowing the story in depth and very often they write the wrong dates.Vsaab990 (talk) 13:06, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2023

I want to change Saab's parent company information to show the correct information. NEVS 2012 - 2019 Evergrande 2019 - Now Tunapiano1 (talk) 11:23, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Actualcpscm (talk) 11:59, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEVS#:~:text=On%2031%20August%202012%2C%20NEVS,the%20Saab%20Automobile%20bankruptcy%20estates.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-evergrande-to-buy-majority-stake-in-swedish-electric-car-maker-nevs-11547580832 Tunapiano1 (talk) 13:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

In popular culture section

I removed the "In popular culture" section because it, IMO, violated WP:CARTRIVIA. Because my deletion was reverted, I am bringing the section here for discussion. Does anyone feel that WP:CARTRIVIA does not apply here, and if so, why? Bahooka (talk) 01:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't usually care for these sections, since they are WP:OR magnets and generally trivial. But if reliable sources have deemed something notable enough to report on, I generally consider it fair game. TylerBurden (talk) 09:07, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Unprotect this page please

This page has been protected for way too long please unprotect it 213.202.138.17 (talk) 19:42, 28 October 2023 (UTC)