Talk:Sabot (firearms)

Shoe question

I don't want to hold up the whole encyclopedia and talk page if I'm wrong, but . . . isn't a sabot a kind of shoe? Wiwaxia 08:52, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yes. The meaning in ballistics is derived from the "shoe" meaning, since the filler around the projectile can be thought of as a "shoe" that the projectile wears.

UninvitedCompany 15:17, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I edited the article to include a mention of the wooden shoe and the word 'sabotage'. The shoe probably deserves an article of its own at some point. --Jack

Pronunciation

I think it's pronounced "sa-bow", but I've also heard people say it phonetically. I don't know how to do that IPA stuff, which is the preferred Wikipedia style for pronunciations... anybody want to take a crack at it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaysweet (talk • contribs) 23:22, 26 July 2006

I always thought it was "say-bow". Jigen III 08:12, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

It's 'sab-oh'. Ian Dunster (talk) 21:53, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I think /ˈseɪboʊ/ is the usual British pronunciation, and /ˈsæboʊ/ seems to be the American form, making each as right as the other. Both are now given in the article. Richard New Forest (talk) 23:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually I meant the opposite way around, but it makes no difference... Richard New Forest (talk) 21:52, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

OK - I never realised it was pronounced differently 'across the pond'. Ian Dunster (talk) 11:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Ian Dunster's 'sab-oh' clarified how to pronounce it for me. The example 'sabbow' made me think 'sab-ow.' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.191.116 (talk) 01:07, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

And just to muddy the waters further/farther, when I was in a M1A1 tank bn in the US army, we pronounced it say-bot.--209.213.220.227 (talk) 17:42, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

It's a French word, pronounced approximately 'sahBOW'. Traditionally in Canada it was also pronounced 'sahBOW'. In British and International English it is also pronounced 'sahBOW'. In the U.S. there may be multiple pronunciations, but 'SAYbow' is common. Which is correct? Decide for yourself, but I think the original - and far more common - 'sahBOW' pronunciation should be added, and should come first. I'm going to attempt to add that now.... Heavenlyblue (talk) 08:58, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Oh, the pronunciation 'SAHbow' is also found in British English. Heavenlyblue (talk) 09:03, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Okay, hope that looks alright. Maybe the first two should be preceded by '(UK and Int.)' or some such thing. Maybe I'll go ahead and do that. Heavenlyblue (talk) 09:40, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Merge with APDS?

Both articles have good information and diagrams, but you're talking about the same thing as far as I can tell. Please consider a merge. Dhatfield (talk) 12:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

No merge. This article is about sabots generally, as used for many different projectiles. The other article is about a particular type of sabot round. The latter (together with other particular types) is already linked from Sabot in the "See also" section. This is a perfectly acceptable arrangement – it's like having an article for "motor vehicle", with subsidiary ones for particular types or makes. There is not enough room in the Sabot article to cover them all to a reasonable level of detail. --Richard New Forest (talk) 21:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I see your perspective, I was only aware of APDS as a use of sabot ammunition. From the perspective of someone referencing this topic (such as, from Tank) to list Sabot, APDS and APFSDS / KEP to get proper coverage of the subject is excessive. The fact that some of your pictures are better than the ones on those respective pages (and that others are duplicates) doesn't help. One longer article that covered all three aspects (the sabot as well as the penetrator) would be preferable from my perspective. Dhatfield (talk) 14:34, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

No merge99.236.221.124 (talk) 21:20, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

No merge. However, I think that battery sabot could potentially become its own article. 24.6.16.156 (talk) 02:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

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Requested move 14 November 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain ^t/c 18:49, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

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• Sabot → Sabot (firearms)
• Sabot (disambiguation) → Sabot

– A WP:NOPRIMARY situation for this term. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 00:50, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support simply because the common French word for wooden shoe is more likely that a "shoe" in a firearm which am guessing would only be known those looking for firearms articles, for whom (firearms) would be a help. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:11, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support per nom, no clear primary topic. Move disambiguation page to basename. Paintspot Infez (talk) 19:16, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. There is—overwhelmingly—a primary topic by page views. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:20, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

• Considering the shoe gets 2k page views on average, I wouldn't call the firearm term an obvious primary. We have to look at the fact that these two articles are both heavily looked for, with the firearm term even more heavily looked for._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 07:34, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support. No primary topic. Personally I'd think of the shoe. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

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History

The article definitely needs a history section. I've seen claims that the sabot in artillery use goes back to World War I, or to the American Civil War, or to the Napoleonic Wars, and have been unable to determine which, if any of these, is correct. Dismalscholar (talk) 03:48, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

It all depends on ur definition of a sabot. The stereotypical sabot used in armor piercing ammo that splits aparts lengthwise was invented in France just prior to WWII, the inventor fleeing to Britain and helping them finalize the concept for the 6pdr and 17pdr. However the cup sabot in artillery goes back to the 1800's and was initially used to safely fire sensitive explosive shots from ruff smoothbore guns according to myth. Although cup sabots for firearms goes back even further. Then u have wadding which goes back to the earliest of cannons and firearms.--Blockhaj (talk) 08:32, 16 April 2022 (UTC)