Talk:Sabriel

Clean-up

• This article needs some work, but I'm willing to take on the project of rewriting a whole bunch of Garth Nix books articles... :) Nihiltres 15:41, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Is that suppose to be a good thing or a bad thing? i thought the series was really good.
    • I agree that the series was awesome, I'm saying that the wikipedia entries need work. See Category talk:Garth Nix Characters for more on my complaints... I wish I had more time to enhance this stuff, but I'm a student and my time doesn't exactly come cheap, so I'm trying to enlist help. Nihiltres 22:52, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

• Yeah, they definetly need a refix. possibly the other, more modern book front covers too. racooon.

Don't replace the older covers - you can put both in the article, especially as the new version is likely to have a different ISBN number.

Covers

Also is normal to prefer the first edition as the lead or infobox artwork / cover. If you want to have others that shuold be extra. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 12:58, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the info. I believe that the first edition cover is what is currently included (the illustrated picture of Sabriel herself). I'll have to check on this, and if we include the more modern cover, it will be secondary to the main. Thanks for the help! Abhorsen327 13:24, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe the cover included on the page is in fact the third edition of the novel, however as it ties in with the first edition covers of Lirael and Abhorsen I believe it should be kept this way or updated, along with the others, to the latest edition. sonoftheclayr 09:41, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Series Name

Shouldn't the series be called The Old Kingdom Trilogy instead of The Abhorsen Trilogy?

In Australia (where Garth Nix lives) and Britain it is called The Old Kingdom Trilogy and is only called The Abhorsen Trilogy in the US?

sonoftheclayr 17:52, 16 Apr 2006 (UTC+10)

Correct, HarperCollins US dubbed it The Abhorsen Trilogy instead. Nix probably never considered the issue, but I'm not certain.12.17.189.77 21:30, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Maybe we could call it The Old Kingdom Trilogy and include a section or in brackets saying that it is known as the Abhorsen Trilogy in the US. --sonoftheclayr 02:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

it is actually called the Old Kingdom Series not the old kingdom trilogy. anyways there's going to be new book out soon called "Clariel: The Lost Abhorsen" so it wouldn't be a trilogy anymore--Orannis the Ninth Bright Shiner (talk) 05:31, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge

I think the sabriel, lirael and abhorsen pages should be merged, with a seperate characters page (see the articles on The Keys to the Kingdom series). Also, the whole thing should be less americanised eg. american series name (see above), american covers (the british ones are best), american subtitles (as far as I know 'daughter of the clayr' wasnt used anywhere else, definitely not in britain). Also see Talk:Sabriel (character) for some good ideas. 213.122.106.93 11:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Old Kingdom template

I have drafted a template for Old Kingdom articles (similar to the ones that appear at the foot of Discworld, Narnia and David Eddings) at User:Time3000/Sandbox. The idea is to make navigating between pages on the same topic easier, and to bring it into line with other fantasy series (e.g. the ones listed above). It's in my userspace, but feel free to make changes. Unless anyone has any major objections, I'll create the template at Template:Old Kingdom trilogy and add it to the relevant articles on the 13th (2006-10-13). Time3000 14:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

It looks good, but a few suggestions:

• The font is miniscule; maybe you could increase it a bit?
• Remove the "hide" thing. It's actually a tool of the devil and there's no way to make it open by default. Apparently, it decides when to open itself.
• Try Template:Old Kingdom. The "trilogy" makes it unnecessarily long.

Other than that, it looks good. Axem Titanium 00:15, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that the font was tiny; I've increased it a bit now. As to the show/hide thing, it automatically hides whenever there are more than two templates (with the show/hide button) on the page. As there will only be one template, I don't see this as a problem. The change to Template:Old Kingdom also makes sense. Time3000 10:14, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks good - I added a few missing articles and fixed a redirected link in your title - it now links directly to the category page rather than passing through a redirect. I'd also considering changing the bland and vague descriptor "Objects" to "Artifacts", but that's a change I want to confirm as OK with other people. Like the idea? Nihiltres 21:19, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, it sounds slightly over-dramatic - it's an encyclopaedia article, not the book itself - though I do agree that it ought to be changed from "objects". Perhaps "magical objects" would be better? Time3000 14:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah, that's what I worried it might be. I'm not quite sure what another good alternative would be. Nihiltres 21:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

The "object" issue is really fairly minor, so (for the time being) I've changed it to "magical objects" and put the template on Template:Old Kingdom -- the wording can be changed later if there are any more suggestions. If anyone else else reads this, these would be very welcome! Time3000 15:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I've added the template to all the book and character articles, but not those in Category:Old Kingdom series from F onwards - any help in doing these would be greatly appreciated. Time3000 16:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Important Characters/Magical Entities

Does that section really belong here? Shouldn't its information belong in places like Five Great Charters, or Abhorsen327's sandboxed article?--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 02:54, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Not really, but info that would go to Abhorsen327's sandboxed article should spay in the main namespace for now, until that article is of postable quality. Let's work on it; I happen to know, as a personal friend of Abhorsen327, that she's on an indefinite wikibreak re: heavy schoolwork load. Nihiltres 19:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

And yes it does belong here they are important characters --Orannis the Ninth Bright Shiner (talk) 05:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Proposed Merge

Please see this discussion, where there is a proposal to merge several Sabriel-related articles. Comments are welcome. sbfw | talk 00:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

whatever

i know this isnt a forum but can anyone explain to me ,or at least give me some websites that explain it, where,when these books were set,was it like a pararel universe cause the perimiter seems like a WW1 kinda setting,Luke12345abcd (talk) 18:42, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Correction on The Ancestor Brightshiner of the Abhorsen Line

According to the book Nicholas Sayre and the Creature in the Case by Garth Nix, The ancestor Birght Shiner for the abhorsen line is Astarael, not Saraneth as the article claims. The wikipedia article on The Old Kingdom Series explains better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.20.157.227 (talk) 07:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Astarael is the ancestor Bright Shiner for the Remembrancers, which is what Lirael is. Sam doesn't understand this and assumes it is the Abhorsens. Saraneth is the ancestor of the Abhorsens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.126.123 (talk) 17:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Astarael isn't the ancestor of any family. The poem recited by the little girl in Sabriel explains of the Five who put themselves into a family, and leaves out Astarael and Kibeth (they were the two who did not throw themselves into the Charter), which is why they are characters in Abhorsen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.74.33 (talk) 11:33, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Lirael - as a Remembrancer - IS Astarael's "get", otherwise she would not have been able to wield Astarael's Bell in the binding of Orannis (note that Sabriel, the Abhorsen, uses Saraneth, which is said as being "in the people who keep the dead down" , according to the poem). Lirael has the "blood" of Astarael, however "diluted" Orannis stated it was (see the final battle in Abhorsen and read Lirael's and Orannis' dialogue). Astarael and Kibeth DID throw themselves into the Charter, just not entirely (otherwise their respective bells would not exist). Remembrancer's must fully throw themselves into death in order to use their power, which seems more suited to Astarael, rather than the Abhorsens, for whom Saraneth is a far better suited ancestor (binding of the dead). 131.227.154.148 (talk) 01:42, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

This is way too detailed for a single book

This is the kind of article I'd expect in a fan-site wikia, not in an encyclopedia. Really, there should be at most only a single article on the series, with subsections for each book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.100.124.229 (talk) 07:04, 19 May 2017 (UTC)