Talk:Saddle tramp (person)

Requested move 8 July 2024

• Saddle tramp → Saddle tramp (disambiguation)
• Saddle tramp (person) → Saddle tramp

– Created main space page for Saddle tramp. Name previously redirected to Saddle tramp (disambiguation) page. The title Saddle tramp should direct to this page, not the disambiguation page. There is a header link at the top of this page. Maineartists (talk) 14:40, 8 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 23:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. This article appears to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Wikishovel (talk) 15:18, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Article is little more than a WP:DICDEF, and no evidence that this page would exceed the derived usage in common usage or significance.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:19, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Comment. I am not sure this should be a discussion as to whether or not the page should exist; but whether it should be given the direct main space as the PRIMARYTOPIC name over the disambiguation page. The article itself is a start class. It should, and will, be expanded over time. Similar to Tramp, the article is about the person, with a link to the disambiguation page. Examples of Saddle Tramps are given on the article page, which is Encyclopedic not Dictionary: Mesannie Wilkins, Sea G Ryder. I am sure that there are others, along with additional information and history. I simply started it due to the fact when creating the article "Mesannie Wilkins", there was no link for "Saddle tramp" (except the disambiguation page - which described it as a "Nomadic cowboy" - which is incorrect). Lastly, the very fact that when one types in "Saddle tramp" at Wikipedia, it takes you to a disambiguation page with a one-line definition of the term; making WP, in fact, a Dictionary. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 20:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Clear primary topic per long-term significance. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:28, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Amakuru. There are eleven entries listed upon the Saddle tramp disambiguation page, with no indication that the six-sentence stub delineating Saddle tramp (person) trumps the combined notability of the remaining ten entries. It may be also noted that other than the putative WP:PRIMARYTOPIC — Saddle tramp (person) — as well as the country band The Saddletramps, all the other entries use an uppercase "T", thus suggesting that Saddle tramp would more intuitively redirect to Saddle Tramp, rather than Saddle Tramp redirecting, as it currently does, to Saddle tramp. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Comment Without Saddle tramp (person), none of the other eleven entries could or would exist. Thus, giving complete reason for PRIMARYTOPIC. Saddle Tramp (film) is about Saddle Tramps, Saddle Tramp (song by Marty Robbins) is about a Saddle Tramp, Saddle Tramps (School Organization) is defined by what a Saddle Tramp is. The correct page assignment is to have the PRIMARYTOPIC receive the direct link with a header for the disambiguation page. Dismissing the page by calling it a "six-sentence stub" is without warrant since there are articles here at WP that are only 1 sentence long. A stub is: "an article that, although lacking the breadth of coverage expected from an encyclopedia, provides some useful information and is capable of expansion." It has the same potential as Tramp. In regards to: capitalization; this does not carry any merit. WP does not encourage capitalization of the second word when it is not a title but a term. I merely wrote "tramp" because the disambiguation page did not capitalize it. Just because an Album (title) has both words capitalized, does not mean it carries more weight. The title for this article should actually be Saddle Tramp. Maineartists (talk) 12:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

NOTE Article has been expanded; and will continue as such due to its content page. Still remains WP: PRIMARYTOPIC. Maineartists (talk) 16:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. As an alternative option to my "oppose" vote, above, I would support one of the two proposed moves: Saddle tramp (person) → Saddle tramp, but continue to oppose pairing it with Saddle tramp → Saddle tramp (disambiguation) and, instead, would support pairing it with the disambiguation page move: Saddle tramp → Saddle Tramp, which would be analogous with the oft-cited example of Red meat paired with the Red Meat dab page. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

I think I would also agree to this; since the term itself: saddle tramp is not and should not be capitalized. Only when it is used in a title - film, book, etc - (i.e. Eleven entries). So if I am understanding you correctly, this page would be Saddle tramp and the disambiguation page would be Saddle Tramp; which would include the titles that use the capitalization. Yes? I do not wish to reinterpret your alternative option. Thanks for this, by the way. Maineartists (talk) 00:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome and, yes, you are understanding me correctly. Perhaps this option would be also acceptable to Wikishovel, Amakuru and Necrothesp. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:07, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that sounds reasonable to me too. Wikishovel (talk) 05:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Ditto, that would be acceptable. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 10:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)