Talk:Sadik Ahmad Turkistani

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Replaced transcluded image with inline image - {{npov}} tag as per dispute on Template talk:Combatant Status Review Tribunal trailer image and caption. Geo Swan 14:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

page move

I plan to move the page to Sadik Ahmad Turkistani. The old name is mostly based on the primary sources and sometimes questionable sources. The new name is based on the NYT's and many other secondary sources. I did a very carefull checking of multiply secondary sources and plan to move the page. Any objection? IQinn (talk) 04:12, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Moved to Sadik Ahmad Turkistani IQinn (talk) 12:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I object to this move, and I plan to request its reversal. Iqinn has been added the identical note on a bunch of articles. He has asserted that he has carefully evaluated the sources. He has asserted that he has evaluated multiple secondary sources. In other instances I asked him to show his work. I contend that being asked to show his work is not an insult.

In my opinion moving articles to new names shouldn't be done for frivolous reasons. In this particular instance he hasn't actually offered a reason for this move -- other than his assertion of a careful evaluation.

Maybe, for some of these articles, there are reasons to justify a renaming that are worth the maintenance burden. But that should follow a discussion where the possible candidate names are advanced, each with their pros and cons.

Iqinn has stated that, in his opinion, those articles should use the same transliteration the New York Times has chosen. It seemed to me that he then asserted something the NYTimes did not claim -- that the NYTimes' choice of transliteration was based on the opinions of experts in the transliteration of names from languages that don't use a European script. The NYTimes did not assert that.

It seems to me that Iqinn is implying that his "multiple secondary sources" have gone on record and stated that their choice of transliteration was based on the opinions of experts. But I don't believe that to be true.

Iqinn has recently claimed that I have claimed to be an expert on everything. It is inflammatory. For the record I don't believe I have ever claimed I am an expert in the transliteration of non-English names.

Among the reasons one might suggest justify a renaming would be those captives who were known by one name in Guantanamo, but who were known by a completely different name outside of Guantanamo, because they claimed the American intelligence analysts had never recognized their real name, or they had been able to hide their real identity. So, how consistent was the NYTimes in changing from one of the official names to a name the captive said was their real name? Answer -- they were not consistent. Jumma Jan is an example of a captive where they used what he said was his real name. And Almasm Sharipov is an example where they did not.

Ideally we should have a central place to discuss the issues shared in the renaming of these articles. I suggest Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism/Guantanamo captives' names.

I have already addressed the misconception that the OARDEC memos were "primary sources".

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 05:26, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I think there is no need to post inflammatory ad hominem messages like this. There is no need for a central discussion. I you feel there is a better name than Sadik Ahmad Turkistani for this article here than please do argue about the best name for this article here on this talk page. IQinn (talk) 05:38, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

explanation

This edit does not comply with Template:Main/doc. So I am reverting it. Geo Swan (talk) 01:28, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so. So could you please explain why? IQinn (talk) 01:43, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Did you bother to read Template:Main/doc? It doesn't look like you did. It says: "This template is used below the heading of the summary, to link to the sub-article that has been (or will be) summarised."

Your edit was clearly counter-policy. I acknowledge mistakes. I encourage you to follow suit. Geo Swan (talk) 04:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Ridiculous. The link was added to the lead. This is the biography of Sadik Ahmad Turkistani. The lead of his biography is not a summary of any "main" article. It is the summary of his biography. I hope you can acknowledge another mistake. IQinn (talk) 04:53, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I have added it to the right section please review the policy. It does not belong into the lead. IQinn (talk) 01:35, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

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