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Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I think a more likely reason than facility of pronunciation is the fact that more ancient Iranian dynasties are known by Greek-derived names e.g. Achaemenid dynasty and Sassanid dynasty. These names come from a Greek adjectival form based on the oblique cases of Greek names. "Persia" in Ancient Greek is "Persis," with genitive "Persidos," accusative "Persida" etc. --Jpbrenna 05:55, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

- - - - In fact, there is no correlation to GREEK here, what so ever. While we are not dealing with an "ancient Iranian dynasty" and Greek influence and presence had ceased some 15 centuries earlier, the name "Safi" is ARABIC (SAFI = "The Refined") and the ending "i" is common in Arabic as well as Persian to impose a correlation to an eponym (here the name itself ending in "i" required a "bridge" rendering the name Saf_av_i, instead of awkward, though valid, "Safi_i") . Safi Al-Din, the founder of the Safaviyeh Sufi Order, was the eponym of the Safavid Dynasty (Persian pronunciation: "Safavi"/Arabic pronunciation "Safawi" Dynasty). --Pantherarosa 12:50, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No need to get touchy here. I do not buy the facility of pronunciation argument either. I think Jpbrenna's point is that many dynasties were known by Greek-derived names, and thus many non-European dynasties were given an "-id" ending by analogy. Thus we have the Timurid Dynasty, Hamdanid Dynasty, even the Solomonid dynasty and so forth, none of which are "Iranian" or can claim any Greek influence and presence. Whether this practice is sound is another matter altogether; the claim Jpbrenna is making is about the actual etymology. --Iceager 28 June 2005 16:29 (UTC)

Actually Solomonic is more popular and more correct (of Solomon, not "like" Solomon), so I've moved the page. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 02:40, 23 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

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Latest comment: 16 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

For the part where I wrote...

Many Safavis can still be found in Isfahan province -- the former capital of the Safavid dynasty. Although Safavis can also be found all across Iran. And even in other other countries across the world.

To back that up.... My Mother is a Safavi. And I know where her side of the family currently lives.

--Charles Iliya Krempeaux 19:46, 2 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

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