Talk:Sahel

This is simply wrong.

"Historically, the western part of the Sahel was sometimes known as the Sudan region (bilād as-sūdān بلاد السودان "lands of the Sudan"). "

No, that would be the EASTERN part of the Sahel.

This page definitely needs a map.

I checked the Commons and all the maps of Africa are old. I wonder if Wikipedia can get an open source atlas going or even buy the rights to an atlas at least for the continent level. 04:29, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I have been trying to move the Sahel_Africa article back to Sahel because it should not have been moved. I think it should be classified as a type C case (see Wikipedia:Disambiguation) and instead of moving it to Sahel Africa there a note about the Tunisian province could have been added.

I moved the disambiguation page at Sahel here to make room for a move of Sahel Africa back to Sahel, it obviously did not work and its all quite a mess right now. Maybe I'll fix it later, until then, please do as you please! --Dittaeva 14:10, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

"The countries of the Sahel today include Senegal, Mauritania, Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger, Nigeria, Chad, Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, and Somalia." If you take a closer look at the map, you can see it excludes several ones mentioned in the list. There should be some coherence, this way or another. --Oop 14:26, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

The map does not show South Sudan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salvadorcases (talk • contribs) 17:01, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Undoing a redirect

The discussion page for Sahel currently redirects here. How to undo that so that it has its own discussion page? --A12n 00:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Flora

I removed the txt about the juju tree. It was under geography. If folks want to add a flora section, they might want to take a look at Category:Flora of Africa, and some of these:

• Acacia senegal
• Faidherbia albida
• Roselle (plant)
• Tisane
• Acacia
• Baobab

Might want to integrate these:

• Bauchi State

"The Sahel type of the Savannah which is also known as the semi-desert vegetation that becomes manifest from the middle of the state as one moves from the south to the northern part of the state. The characteristic of this type of vegetation comprises isolated stands of thorny shrubs."

• History of Africa

"Agriculturally, the first cases of domestication of plants for agricultural purposes occurred in the Sahel region circa 5000 BC, when sorghum and African rice began to be cultivated. Around this time, and in the same region, the small guinea fowl became domesticated.

According to the Oxford Atlas of World History, in the year 4000 BC the climate of the Sahara started to become drier at an exceedingly fast pace.[2] This climate change caused lakes and rivers to shrink rather significantly and caused increasing desertification. This, in turn, decreased the amount of land conducive to settlements and helped to cause migrations of farming communities to the more tropical climate of West Africa.[3]"

• Tropical and subtropical grasslands, savannas, and shrublands

• Nomadic pastoralism

At least a link to Afrotropic ecozone and Permanent Interstate Committee for drought control in the Sahel

Just some fodder for those who know the subject. :T L Miles 16:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC) =='''''''Bold text'Bold text'

Etymology

Pay attention: the usual interpretation of sahel as "border or coast of the Sahara desert" is wrong. The name comes from a misunderstanding by French scientists who considered sahel as a proper name of a region, while it was simply an indigenous term meaning "north". More details in it:Sahel and in the references cited there.--Vermondo (talk) 19:39, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Dear Vermondo, that looks possible, but I can't find any reference in it:Sahel. On the other hand, I'd eliminate the sentence, now in the article, which says "it has been suggested that the word may originally have been derived from Arabic word sahl سهل "plain" instead.[4]. Because even if not attested in classical sources, Sahel is commonly used in Modern Arabic for the region as ساحل not as سهل. See the CEN-SAD site - it's not very plausible that modern Arab politicians would have mistakenly back-written that word from French sources, when they could just have used سهل which in Modern Arabic, effectively, keeps meaning "flat land". Ilyacadiz (talk) 08:21, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

animals

whilest looking though the page i noticed there was no sections on the wild life of the sahel i do not have the knolage but if anyone did it may be good for the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.164.28 (talk) 15:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Map needs to be updated to include South Sudan

Map needs to be updated to include South Sudan --Bruce Hall (talk) 12:13, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Driest areas in the Sahel

""Sahelian Acacia savanna". Terrestrial Ecoregions. World Wildlife Fund. Retrieved 2009-12-07." claims that the annual rainfall is around 600 mm in the south of the ecoregion, but declines rapidly to the north to around 200 mm. But if we look carefully at the map of this ecoregion (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=http:%2F%2Fglobalspecies.org%2Fkmlserver%2fgetkml%2fat0713), Khartoum (Sudan) and Atar (Mauritania) belong to this ecoregion and annual mean rainfall in Khartoum is 156.8 mm (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khartoum#Climate) and in Atar is even 91 mm during 1923-2004 (see http://geofizika-journal.gfz.hr/vol_25/No1/25_4_ahmed.pdf). Is Atar really in the Sahel region is debatable ?

However I slightly changed the minimum annual rainfall averages from 200 mm to about 100 mm in the Sahelian region. Carlo Colussi (talk) 07:52, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

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Map of the Sahel may be wrong

Arctic Gazelle (talk) 22:27, 11 January 2021 (UTC) The map of the Sahel here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sahel_Map-Africa_rough.png does not match exactly the one here. One of them must be at least slightly wrong.Arctic Gazelle (talk) 22:22, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

War in Sahel

French article - does it have an English counterpart? (see my post on WP Terror). Bokoharamwatch (talk) 15:32, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Simple language

I'm sure in some academic sense that it is technically accurate to call the Sahel an "ecoclimatic and biogeographic realm of transition" but this is incredibly technical language to put in an introductory sentence. I would propose changing this to "The Sahel is a region in Africa. It is defined as the ecoclimatic and biogeographic realm of transition..." although even this could probably be simplified. The article already calls it a region elsewhere so this isn't a radical proposal. At the moment I have no doubt a large percentage of people will come to this page wondering what the Sahel is and will be left utterly confused because they have no idea what the first sentence means. 5.133.47.155 (talk) 13:39, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Sahel map is significantly inaccurate

Is part of southern Algeria really in the Sahel region? It also goes too far north around the eastern end in Sudan and Chad. Khartoum has a hot desert (BWh) climate with only 5 inches (130 mm) of rain a year. Similarly, In Guezzam, in far-southern Algeria, has a typical Saharan climate with extremely hot summers, very short winters, only 1.7 in (43 mm) of rain a year, and 7 months with no rain at all (on average). These places are, without a doubt, in the Sahara Desert, not the Sahel. Please insert more accurate maps in place of the current ones. Jtadesse (talk) 16:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC)