Talk:Sailor Moon SuperS: The Movie

Prank on this page

Someone put 'followed by X-Men (2000)' in the series info. LOL

NoInfo?

This article has character profiles, but no information on the movie in itself. --Alexie 22:32, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Rename

This article name is long beyond the point of usefulness. The common names guideline says to "use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things." Along with that, staying simple will make organization easier when we get Sailor Moon R movie and Sailor Moon S movie up and running. For all these reasons, I propose that we move this article to Sailor Moon SuperS movie.

If no one objects, I'd like to make this change in two days, on the 31st. --Masamage 00:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay then, I'm gonna go ahead! --Masamage 16:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd just like to make the comment that inside the DVD covers from Japan, it has written in English "Sailormoon SuperS - The Miracle of the Black Dream Hole". I thought it wouldn't hurt to mention it, since it's an official Toei title. It seems like they didn't add the first part of the title though, for whatever reason. ~ Fighter4luv (talk) 01:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Name consistency

We need to pick one of these name styles and stick with it:

Japanese: Badiyanu, Peruru, Pupuran, Oranja, Bananu.
French: Badian, Perle, Poupelin, Orangeat, Banane.

I'm personally (on gut-instict) in favor of the former. 'Marzipan Castle' is a separate issue, but also needs to be decided on--Marzipan, Marzipane, or Marujipannu. I vote Marzipan. --Masamage 00:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

No votes on this? --Masamage 18:19, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Japanese version, because the English dub also uses those names. Danny Lilithborne 05:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Do you think maybe a compromise would work? I was thinking something like, "Poupelin (pronounced Pupuran)..." --Masamage 08:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

You're in favor of the Japanese one, right? No compromise necessary. Danny Lilithborne 10:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

There is no "Japanese version" ... I think Naoko Takeuchi was abundantly clear what names she meant in the Materials Collection -- they're mostly French cooking/food terms and to dis-acknowledge that would be preposterous. So, in keeping with the "Tessagia/Tetsuaiga" precedent the MOS-JA, we really should give weight to the author's intentions over a mistranslation and integrate the two romanizations with MOS-JA style.

i.e. {{nihongo|Perle|ペルル|Peruru}} = Perle (ペルル, Peruru)

(I also corrected the spelling of Badian) --Kunzite 12:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

That's sorta what my guilty conscience was thinking. Sounds okay to me; I'll make it happen.

PS. Done. I used the spelling 'Badiane' because that's what I found in French dictionaries. --Masamage 17:32, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

French Cooking terms? These should be cited directly from Wikipedia itself, or from a french cooking site (cut out the middle man). Though what Takeuchi "meant" to use French cooking terms should be noted as speculation since it's not directly stated. --Hitsuji Kinno 15:43, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Has anyone read Ian Miller's article about the SuperS movie? He explains how the katakana マジパンヌ (Majipannu) does not approximate the English word "Marzipan" nor the French Massepain. The castle was not created by Naoko, so do you think we should spell it "Marzipannu", as with other terms in Sailor Moon that use parts of an English word. ~ Fighter4luv (talk) 14:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

What if I'm ferociously suspicious of Ian Miller? ^_^;;; With the "nu" in the katakana, though, it might be Marzipane. I wonder where he's getting those kana. --Masamage ♫ 17:55, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Ian has helped me for years with Sailor Moon translation issues, and I trust his trained judgment. I even went through Marzipan of heaps of languages to see if the Japanese write any of them as majipannu, but no luck... and usually, in my experience, if the Japanese change an English word (add extra stuff) it's written with that extra Japanese syllable. *shrugs* I'm just saying "marzipan" has never been written as "majipannu" in katakana. I guess we may never know their intention though :P ~ Fighter4luv (talk) 12:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Where did he get the kana in the first place, though? It's not in the Materials Collection. Is it in a memorial book or something? --Masamage ♫ 23:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

It's featured in the Memorial Album. ~ Fighter4luv (talk) 04:26, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Image

I was bold and swapped out the image for a nicer looking, yet similar one (It has most of the same art just moved around with out that ugly bottom) Lego3400: The Sage of Time 23:47, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Also if we can't find a way to work the old one into the article, Could someone flag it for deletion. Lego3400: The Sage of Time 03:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

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Production

that section seems kinda dubious... 1st off... Why would Uranus need to steal them, She, Neputne and Pluto have them... not the other senshi. 2: She would just ask if she needed them, I'm sure the other senshi would have given her them if they had them. I just don't buy that that was the orignal plan...Lego3400: The Sage of Time 16:46, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Mabye it was one of the idears they come up with but didnt work (probably for the same reasons you came up with)♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 16:52, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Weird or not, it's all true. And sourced, you might notice. :P --Masamage ♫ 17:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Well its not like the anime ever worried about Canon in there movies ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 17:14, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Unico...

I watched the Unico movies and another movie recently that came before this production and some of the shots, shot for shot, and opening seem like it's a tribute... I mean *eerily* similar down to camera angle and colors used. The opening scene where the song starts looks a lot like the scene in the movie... but I wondering if this is too much speculation and OR even if the shots look pretty much the same... If you have a crunchyroll account you can see for yourself.--Hitsuji Kinno 17:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

What looks like a tribute to which? --Masamage ♫ 18:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Sailor Moon took from these anime: Unico (the design of Pegasus in large form and even some of the frames look a lot like the ones in Unico. The original was by Tezuka--so it's impossible that the animators wouldn't have noticed. 1. Detachable horn. 2. Growing larger Unico grows wings like a Pegasus (the design looks very, very similar). http://www.crunchyroll.com/showmedia?id=18005 (it's about half way there) 3. Unico's horn glows gold when Unico uses it and is the source of unico's power (Sound suspiciously familiar? The anime does this while the manga does not... and there is a good reason for this...)

Unico in the Island of Magic has the strongest influence on this movie. Quarter of the way through you see a piper on a pipe enchanting things and having magical powers over the animals... He turns them into puppets. People are collected too. What's funny is that in the movie they travel to the end of the Earth, much like Ikuhara originally wanted and learn how to defeat the enemy there. The opening shot of Sailor Moon particularly has an eerie similarity to the one in the second part a bit of the way in where the "living dolls" come alive... shot over the roof top, the up angle, etc when I saw it I was like.. that's SM Supers' Movie opening shot. http://www.crunchyroll.com/showmedia?id=27674

The end of the movie you can see pretty much shot for shot the end of SuperS series. Only replace the bad guy with Nehelenia... and Unico also converts the main character by saying that the enemy has friends... "I feel sorry for you" "I'm sorry you're full of such hate." "I know how important friends are." "You must be must be lonely" Even the design of the main character--the puppet looks similar to Zirconia... O.o;; (Didn't one of the SuperS specials also have a puppet controlling the user in it? Well this has the puppet deceiving a boy too...)

In addition if you watch Unico: Black Rain and White Feather about half way through you can see pretty much shot for shot the episode where Chibiusa flies on Pegasus... I'm serious... first running through a forest, launching off, and even the sound. The clouds part to reveal the various heavenly bodies... About halfway through you can hear a *very* *very* similar sound that was used in SM... about the time Chibiusa got her wings.... a similar sound showed up. http://www.crunchyroll.com/showmedia?id=27819 (Worth watching)

It's not rare for animators to pay tribute and use other animations for reference. (As an animator friend said to me and quoted in the Kimba v. Simba debate by Schodt.) But the similarities between the two make me strongly thing that this series, Unico, by Tezuka had a strong influence on Ikuhara in the creation of the SuperS series and even the movie. (I also heard that shots were taken from the Hamlin series...) Oh Unico came way before Sailor Moon and is probably the best known series to have a Pegasus in it... I do wonder if this is too much OR... but I swear even the building tops look the same in the Island of magic one in the sequence that I mention.--Hitsuji Kinno 02:51, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Controversial move

I have reverted the move to "Sailor Moon Supers movie" because there was no discussion. Please join in at Talk:Sailor Moon SuperS so we can keep this in one place. Thanks! --Masamage ♫ 17:51, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

It was moved because the current name violates MOSTM. As soon as that other page gets moved (and it WILL be), this one will get moved too. TJ Spyke 00:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, of course. But please discuss it over there, not here. --Masamage ♫ 02:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

What is with these films anyway? Ideally, articles about originally non-English films should be named after the official English title, which (according to the article's current lead) would call for a move to Sailor Moon Supers the Movie: Black Dream Hole. – Cyrus XIII ^(talk) 21:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

These movies were released in officially-subtitled form by Pioneer before they were ever dubbed, and were titled the way these articles are now. (At least, my copy of the SuperS movie on VHS is labelled that way, and I'm pretty sure the S one I used to own was, too.) --Masamage ♫ 22:40, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I see, that makes sense. Then the articles should probably point out this discrepancy between the different the English-territory-releases more clearly, to avoid confusion. – Cyrus XIII ^(talk) 23:12, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

They definitiely should. I'm not sure about the details of that part of the production history, is all; just the general idea I just gave. Anyone know more? Dates, reason it wasn't licensed for dubbing at that time, etc? --Masamage ♫ 02:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Poster confusion

I just noticed this, but, uh...why does this "movie" poster say "memorial album" at the bottom? --Masamage ♫ 20:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Because someone used the cover from the anime book lol. ~ Fighter4luv (talk) 01:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Debatable Release date

I say we should go by the release of it on Cartoon Network as the release date is very debatable. Amazon.com says 2000, where as the VHS says 1999. I do not believe that the VHS were released until after they aired on Cartoon Network because of this seeing as there is no actually founding proof as to when they were. In case anyone is wondering how I know this I own all 3 movies on VHS and only one says 2000 and that's Sailor Moon S: The Movie.

Here's the copyrights as seen on the back of all three:

• Sailor Moon R: The Movie

© MCMXCV TOEI ANIMATION CO. LTD ©1999 NAOKO TAKEUCHI/KODANSHA TOEI ANIMATION For sale or rental in the United States and Canada. Artwork & Design ©1999 Pioneer Entertainment (USA) LP All rights reserved. Manufactured for and distributed by Pioneer Entertainment (USA) LP

• Sailor Moon S: The Movie

© 1994 TOEI ANIMATION CO. LTD ©2000 NAOKO TAKEUCHI/KODANSHA TOEI ANIMATION For sale or rental in the United States and Canada. Package Design ©2000 Pioneer Entertainment (USA) LP All rights reserved. Manufactured for and distributed by Pioneer Entertainment (USA) LP

• Sailor Moon SuperS: The Movie

© 1995 TOEI ANIMATION CO. LTD ©2000 NAOKO TAKEUCHI/KODANSHA TOEI ANIMATION For sale or rental in the United States and Canada. Artwork & Design ©1999 Pioneer Entertainment (USA) LP All rights reserved. Manufactured for and distributed by Pioneer Entertainment (USA) LP

Notice SuperS has 2 different ones...as I pointed out debatable and we should probably just use the Cartoon Network airdates instead of claiming the VHS's came out in 2000 when it is really unknown. JamesAlan1986 (talk-Contributes) 11:28, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Page discussion

This is really getting out of hand. The official translated title is "Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon Super S". An IP has done a cut-and-paste translation, which is already a mess. Even Viz's official translations refer to it as just "Super S". Also, in the advertisements, there are no ":" when mentioning titles except for separate ones. However, to avoid an edit war, I want to discuss this matter on the talk page. Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:26, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Excuse me? But you got this all wrong. You said you were putting a move request to have the page changed to Sailor Moon SuperS: The Movie which it is as all postings on the page have the SuperS together not apart as the title of the page does which has it as Sailor Moon Super S: The Movie, so I see no reason why the page should not have been moved to reflect what is shown on the page. I think someone likes to cause problems. 184.16.64.8 (talk) 00:01, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Also the ":" and the capitalized T I was talking about was for the English dub title which was posted as Sailor Moon SuperS the Movie: Black Dream Hole when it should have been Sailor Moon SuperS: The Movie: Black Dream Hole like the rest of the titles on the page do. Get your facts straight dude. 184.16.64.8 (talk) 00:12, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Final add on, if anyone would care to go to the official Japanese website the entire series, including the TV series and movies have been put under the title Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon, yes its official and original translation was Pretty Soldier and I do not deny that but that does not change the fact that they are currently being advertised as Pretty Guardian, Sjones23. 184.16.64.8 (talk) 00:25, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Looking at all of the English language sources in the article, they consistently use "Super S" instead of "SuperS". This includes the interview with director Kunihiko Ikuhara where he uses the term "Super S".[1] Following WP:COMMONNAME, "Super S" should be the variant used. —Farix (t | c) 00:57, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

You can't base on one source and call it common most fans base the name on the advertised logos which when you look at both the US and Japanese logos they have it as "SuperS" not "Super S" so if you want to get technically both are common names so which do you go by? The official logo or how people put it? 184.16.64.8 (talk) 17:54, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Note if you look at the page on Sailor Moon Wiki they base it on the logo instead of how people put it. Shouldn't Wikipedia? Isn't that how an encyclopedia is suppose to work? 184.16.64.8 (talk) 17:57, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 3 October 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) Iffy★Chat -- 13:27, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

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Sailor Moon Super S: The Movie → Sailor Moon SuperS: The Movie – Official Japanese title is "SuperS"; it is not spaced as "Super S". Unable to manually move due to filters preventing move. Loyalmoonie (talk) 04:52, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

• Support per Loyalmoonie's reasoning. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 07:57, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support for consistency. Smeagol 17 (talk) 11:13, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

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