Talk:Salem Parkway (North Carolina)

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If the article for Business 40 in Raleigh is created -- Interstate 40 Business (Raleigh, North Carolina) -- then this page will have to be moved back to its original spot -- Interstate 40 Business (Winston-Salem, North Carolina) and a possible disambiguation page may have to be created as well. --Geopgeop 14:10, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

What Business 40 in Raleigh? Are you suggesting that I-40 will be rerouted along the soutern portion of I-640 when the loop is completed? Do you have any references? If so, post them if you would be so kind. If what you say is true, then there will also have to be a Interstate 40 Business (Greensboro, North Carolina) article as well. --Gooday.1 20:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation Split

I disagree with the article split between the Business I-40 Winston-Salem and Greensboro routes. There will only be an approximate 3 mile hiatus between the two Business I-40's and most importantly, the exit numbers will continue from the Winston-Salem route onto the Greensboro route. Therefore, at least for exit numbering purposes, it is the same road. The same principle has been applied to Business Interstate 85. --TinMan 21:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Do you have proof that this will be true? If so, I agree. --SPUI (T - C) 21:27, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Since the I-40 rerouting phase is still in "environmental imapct statement" stage, I can't find any maps with exit numbers to prove my hypothesis. However, North Carolina currently is the only state in the nation that I know of that has two business routes of the same Interstate... and by that I am referring to I-85 Business. Since both routes will be named "Interstate 40 Business", the only way to prevent confusion would be to continue the route exit numbers. For instance, if someone said get off on Interstate 40 Business exit 5 in North Carolina, they would have a 50/50 chance of getting to the right exit. I'm pretty sure ASHTO wouldn't allow that since both routes are so close to each other. The reason I say that is because they won't allow two three digit Interstates to coexist in the same state. They've done it with I-85 Business; it's safe to assume they'll do it for I-40 Business. Nevertheless, to be on the safe side, the article says exit numbering may be continued from Winston-Salem. I don't see a reason for splitting the articles just for this uncertainty. It's the same with I-840; they don't deserve they're own articles yet... in my opinion. --TinMan 04:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Many states have multiple business routes - see Business Loop. I think my main problem is the way this article implies that they are in fact separate routes. --SPUI (T - C) 04:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Reroute

Just wanted to thank whomever for editting my addition to the article about the semi-realignment of I-40 back onto I-40 :D

P.S., the section of the discussion on the Split of Business 40 is moot... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.76.224.163 (talk) 03:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

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Future of article

What is likely to happen to this article once Business 40 is decommissioned? Will it just be moved to Salem Parkway (North Carolina) or will it be merged into U.S. Route 421 in North Carolina? The road seems distinct enough to possibly warrant its own article even after it no longer has its own designation. Roadsguy (talk) 03:17, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't have an issue of changing it to Salem Parkway, in similar fashion to the Great Smoky Mountains Expressway or Greensboro Urban Loop. We will need to modify the article, of course, like back date the establishment to 1958, when it was the East–West Expressway and go from there. Since it has been announced that November 11, 2018 is the date they will close the freeway for reconstruction, that maybe the best time to start work on the revision. I'm not 100% if that date is also when Business 40 is decommissioned or when it reopens, I guess we will find out then. Please let me know if you or anyone else want to go this route. --WashuOtaku (talk) 04:00, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan to me. Perhaps we can prepare a communal sandbox page to work on the new article before it's time to change over the original. As for dates, I suspect that Business 40 will be removed when the project completes in 2020, not the reopening in 2019, but this will likely need to be confirmed by actually going there and looking. Hopefully future press releases clear this up. Roadsguy (talk) 19:30, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

We can also contact NCDOT, no reason not too. Yes, a sandbox version probably best till then, I'll go ahead and create one: Salem Parkway Sandbox. --WashuOtaku (talk) 20:36, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

I notice two roads named Salem Parkway, the other being Oregon Route 99E Business. Since that page isn't titled Salem Parkway and that name doesn't even appear in bold on the page, perhaps Business 40's new page should be just "Salem Parkway," with either a {{distinguish}} template linking to the Oregon route or an {{other uses}} template coupled with renaming the current Salem Parkway page to "Salem Parkway (disambiguation)?" Thanks for making the sandbox. I'll be editing that as well. By the time it's put into place, it should be a copy of the existing article but modified to include the new information. Roadsguy (talk) 03:28, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

You are correct, we could just take over Salem Parkway and just link the other (best to move to keep history of this article). Yea, I just quickly threw something in the sandbox as a sort of template; basically need to move Business 40 to a mini box (something you asked us about on the Greensboro Urban Loop) and greatly expand the history section. Since I'm going to send a message to NCDOT anyway, I'll ask if they have any images from when the freeway opened in 1958. --WashuOtaku (talk) 13:31, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

After discussions made on WikiProject U.S. Roads regarding the future of this article, it was decided that Interstate 40 Business will remain an active article till at least NCDOT officially decommissions it (hopefully in 2020), which at that point the article will be renamed Salem Parkway. A lot of effort that was made rewriting the article for the Salem Parkway article, especially the history section, will now be incorporated here, just slightly adjusted. If their are any questions, comments or concerns, please continue to post in this thread or forever hold your peace. --WashuOtaku (talk) 22:51, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan since the designation does exist and it seems to be standard for route designations to take priority over names (unless the name encompasses the entire route and extends beyond its length, for example Capital Beltway (Harrisburg) and PA 581 or Pennsylvania Turnpike and I-276. Roadsguy (talk) 02:51, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

In the meantime, what should the article say about when the name was changed? There seems to be a dispute about what to put in the infobox, and I'm not sure what content should be in the article. This was already discussed here and if someone wants to move that discussion here then it probably should be here for all to see.

At some point we should discuss when to actually move the article. I added the template below but it's probably premature to have this discussion.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:53, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 24 December 2019

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 16:32, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

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Interstate 40 Business (North Carolina) → Salem Parkway (North Carolina) – Name has changed once signs are installed. — Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:53, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Support — At the point when reconstruction of freeway is complete/reopen it will only be US 421/Salem Parkway. --WashuOtaku (talk) 19:12, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Support — Article should be moved to new name of road since I-40 Business will no longer exist. Dough4872 20:48, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Comment — Part of the reason for doing this was to determine when editors think the change has actually taken place. Also, I saw support for just the name Salem Parkway, which is currently a disambiguation page.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:48, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose as premature per WP:RS. The nomination and support comments above are based neither on WP policy nor source usage. The article reads "this name change will take effect in 2020 when construction is completed" and sources for that statement from the past couple of months still use "Business 40" exclusively to refer to the project. When the name change is complete and reflected in sources, I support a move to Salem Parkway (without a disambiguator) per WP:TWODABS; use hatnotes instead. —  AjaxSmack  16:53, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Comment I get that it is premature. I just wanted input as to when and what the title should be.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:03, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per AjaxSmack and WP:NAMECHANGES. The proposed move should be made *after* the name change, and only if reliable sources support it.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:19, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

References

• Oppose Will reconsider and probably support once the name change has already happened. --Jayron32 13:32, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

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Reopening

According to the Winston-Salem Journal, Bus 40/Salem Pkwy is reopening this weekend. https://www.journalnow.com/news/local/business-could-reopen-this-weekend/article_91e765e7-28f6-5528-a711-306b61d30bca.html 2606:A000:83D0:7F00:C1CB:FE19:EAD3:4948 (talk) 16:46, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

It's happening! --WashuOtaku (talk) 23:52, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 2 February 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 07:16, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

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Interstate 40 Business (North Carolina) → Salem Parkway (North Carolina) – Reopening and name change have happened. — Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:49, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support --WashuOtaku (talk) 00:49, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Now that name change has happened, article should be moved. Dough4872 13:10, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
• Comment – I would gravitate toward merging this page into U.S. Route 421 in North Carolina since the parkway is concurrent with the latter in its entirety. Needforspeed888 (talk) 14:26, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I support the merge into U.S. Route 421 in North Carolina as opposed to Salem Parkway for the reasons above; Salem Parkway and Interstate 40 Business (North Carolina) can redirect to this or a section within. Leuqarte (talk) 15:17, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose the merge. This was a big part of the history of the city and involved several major projects including the big reconstruction, and all of that should be in its own article.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:55, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - The Salem Parkway as a road has its own history distinct from simply being a segment of US 421. A lot of information detail would be lost in merging this article with the greater US 421 (NC) article, which covers a rather long route across much of the state. Roadsguy (talk) 22:14, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support - It's been agreed upon several times to rename the article on the reopening of the road through downtown, so at this point this is just a formality. Roadsguy (talk) 22:14, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
• I still think merging this page into U.S. Route 421 in North Carolina is the most logical solution, as we have done in the past with several other designations that are part of another route in their entirety, such as Chicago Skyway, Jane Addams Memorial Tollway, Major Deegan Expressway, West Virginia Turnpike, and Interstate 595 (Maryland), but if we decide not to (or until the page is merged), I Support the name change as proposed in this section. Needforspeed888 (talk) 23:16, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Your examples show a one to three small paragraphs about a highway named section, which is fine; but this page has several large paragraphs and you want to shred all that information to condense it into an already lengthy US 421 NC page? No thanks. --WashuOtaku (talk) 00:28, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

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