Talk:Salem station (MBTA)

Former station

This station has some history to it because it's been relocated. Does anybody know what that is? 24.128.185.126 (talk) 22:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

The original headhouse was located on Mill Hill, at what is now Riley Plaza. Nathaniel Hawthorne even mentioned it in the Scarlet Letter.

The headhouse was demolished in the late 1950's to build Riley Plaza (parking lot and circular roadway).

The current station was built in 1987, following a fire that destroyed the bridge at Beverly. When the bridge was rebuilt, the MBTA decided to relocate the station. David M. (talk) 00:49, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Potential sources

Copied from Salem Public Library wiki:

• Vertical File in Salem Collection - Depot
• "When taking the train was the only way to travel" Salem News, Dec. 8, 2003, p. B5
• "Start razing Salem Depot Sept. 1" Salem Evening News, July 3, 1954, p. 1
• "Throngs watch as massive tower stone is lowered" Salem Evening News, Oct. 26, 1954, p.1
• "Depot model goes to Bowditch House" Salem Evening News, Dec. 12, 2001, p.A2
• "A look back at the history of Salem's train stations" Salem Evening News, Dec. 19, 2001, p.A3
• "Remembering those who helped preserve region's history" (Leon Masse) Salem News, July 29, 2013, p. 7
• Architecture in Salem by Bryant F. Tolles, p. 69

Unfortunately, the Salem Evening News does not appear to have been digitized at any point. The Boston Public Library does have it on microfilm, though. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:31, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Map request

This is turning out be to quite a lengthy and interesting article, full of little-known history. Adding a map of the original vs current track and station locations would make it much easier to understand the detailed textual descriptions. On further reading, it appears that several maps might be needed to help in understanding what the article describes. Reify-tech (talk) 20:27, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. The 1838, 1847, 1958, and 1987/2014 station sites, the tunnel and its extensions, and perhaps even the freight yard and Salem Harbor Branch can probably fit on one map. It'll probably be a simplified version without most streets and buildings, though. That will have to wait for someone with better skills at GIS than I. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:08, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

I made File:Salem downtown stations map.svg which shows all of the station sites and the tunnel. I'll probably make a wider map that shows the various branches. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 07:30, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 17:01, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Criteria

1. Prose ✓ Pass

2. Verifiability ✓ Pass

3. Depth of Coverage ✓ Pass

4. Neutral ✓ Pass

5. Stable ✓ Pass

6. Illustrations ✓ Pass

7. Miscellaneous ✓ Pass

Comments

1.

• Is North River (Massachusetts Bay) the North River in the station layout section? If so, it should be linked
  • Nope, different river. There's at least three North Rivers in Massachusetts - such imagination!
• "After the railroads from Boston to Lowell, Worcester, and Providence were chartered in 1830 and 1831," - Wikilink the cities not already linked
  •  Done
• "On June 16, 1846, the stockholders authorized the sale" - Whose stockholder's?
  •  Done
• " Marblehead service was halved to one daily round trip then, and cut entirely on June 14, 1959." - This needs rephrasing
  •  Done
• "Construction of $2.5 million overpass to carry Bridge Street" - Needs an "a"
  •  Done
• "over the Danvers Branch and the Topsfield Branch[39] This was" - There's a period missing in here
  •  Done

2.

• The daily parking fee doesn't seem to be cited anywhere
  •  Done
• "bridge began on December 1, 1985" - Maybe I misread the source, but I only say the month, not the day in the source
  • It's in the bolded title of the entry
• Ref 47 shouldn't have the titles in all caps
  •  Done
• "Construction on the garage and station began in June 2013." - This is supported by a reference from March of that year. Since delays are possible in construction projects, it would be best to have a source that demonstrates that the construction actually did begin in June, besides just planned to begin.
  •  Partly done Lacking any other source to support it, I've removed the line.
• Ref 2 needs an accessdate
  •  Done
• Add an edition, if known, to the House of the Seven Gables ref. The date is given as 1893, and the book was published in 1851, so we're dealing with a later edition here
  •  Done No edition info, but added orig-year parameter
• Refs 48 and 49 shouldn't have the titles in all caps
  •  Done
• Not all of the online refs have accessdate= parameters, these should be added.
  •  Done I believe I've added these for all relevant refs (recent news stories, etc). Access date isn't relevant for archived sources, dated PDFs, etc.
• Spot check of refs is clean, as is the Earwig report

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Placing on hold. Hog Farm (talk) 23:55, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@Hog Farm: Thanks for the review! I believe I've fixed everything. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:02, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I believe that's everything. Promoting. Hog Farm (talk) 04:05, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 14:08, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that the unlit tunnel at Salem station was "happily known as the 'Kissing-Bridge'" of the rail line? Source: Here and There in New England and Canada, page 41

• Reviewed: Carex bicolor

Improved to Good Article status by Pi.1415926535 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:42, 18 April 2020 (UTC).

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QPQ: Done.

Overall: Recently accepted as a GA article, interesting hook, QPQ is met, and is sourced Jon698 Talk 15:44 19 April 2020

Requested move 2 August 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Waqar💬 16:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

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Salem station → Salem station, Massachusetts – This is not the primary topic for Salem station, since Salem Junction railway station in India is. Salem Junction is usually simply referred to as Salem station as Salem Town and Salem Market stations are much smaller and not nearly as used. For instance, in this The Hindu article talking about the redevelopment works it says Salem railway station, and this Hindustan Times article about a train robbery.

To support the claim Salem Junction in India is the primary topic, if we look at the pageview stats, Salem Junction, TN gets about 4-10x the page views than Salem station, MA regularly and has about 25x the passenger usage. In terms of historical significance, both are pretty old, however the fact that Salem Junction is a much bigger and busier station than Salem station, MA and has many more page views makes me think it should be the primary topic, or at the very least Salem, MA should not be the primary topic. Therefore I think WP:PT1. Propose redirecting Salem station to Salem Junction railway station. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - _uselesscontributions} 09:48, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom, though Massachusetts should be in parentheses not separated by a comma per WP:USSTATION. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 15:18, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

  Or Salem station (MBTA), which would be consistent with other articles in Category:MBTA Commuter Rail stations in Essex County, Massachusetts. 162 etc. (talk) 17:43, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

  I'd be fine with that too. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 17:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support the Massachusetts one has 226 views but the Oregon one has 143 and Salem Junction railway station has 949[[1]] so even discounting the Junction the Oregon one seems enough of a contendor. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:14, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support move to "Salem station (Massachusetts)"; keep "Salem station" as dab. I prefer (Massachusetts) to (MBTA) as the parenthetical disambiguator, since it's more widely known. I'm not convinced that Salem Junction railway station is the primary topic for "Salem station" - there's not even a redirect under that name now - so I prefer that title becomes a dab page. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:37, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.