Talk:Sallaans dialect

The phonology section

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 – Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 11:50, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

I know my information is correct, because according to the source, 1.) in all of the Dutch/Low Saxon dialects /ʋ/ is realised as a [w] before rounded vowels. 2.) The /ɡ/ sound exists as a result of a voiceless /k/ preceding another voiced consonant. 3.) It describes the long /a/ sound as "in het Nederlandse woord vaal". The word vaal is pronounced as (in Dutch IPA) [vaːl]. Fdom5997 (talk) 10:29, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

@Fdom5997: There's no such claim in the source.

It does (you mean [ɡ] - it's an allophone).

No, the source describes /ɑː/ as De lange aa lijkt veel op de klinker in het Nederlandse woord vaal, al wordt hij wat meer achter in de mond uitgesproken en klinkt daardoor wat donkerder. It's more back than Standard Dutch /aː/. If it were central, it wouldn't be described as such because SD /aː/ varies from front to central. Why are you using a paper written in Dutch as a source if you don't understand the language? Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 11:50, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Plus, in Standard Dutch, [ɑː] is very strongly associated with the phoneme /aː/ because even though it's a non-standard realization, it's found in many areas (e.g. Brabant and parts of Randstad itself, e.g. Amsterdam and Utrecht, perhaps also West Flanders (?)). Especially in Amsterdam, speakers might alternate between [ɑː] and [aː] depending on the formality of the situation (the latter allophone is more formal). So the source definitely describes a back vowel. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 17:03, 20 February 2020 (UTC)