Talk:Salsabil

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Fix page and topic

I'm going to clean up this page. First and foremost, Wikipedia is not a dictionary and one page is supposed to be about one topic. The main topic here clearly seems to be the fountain feature in Islamic architecture, and that's what should be retained here. The rest is unsourced and unrelated and should be removed. If there is a notable neighbourhood in Tehran by the same name, then that needs its own page, so long as it meets notability requirements. If this page needs to be disambiguated from other topics by the same name like that in the future, than we can discuss disambiguation methods for multiple pages. Most likely this page would remain the main topic, since it has general scope across Islamic culture. R Prazeres (talk) 02:38, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

I've revised the architectural meaning a little, with some details, and removed extraneous meanings or information. I've left the section on its Qur'anic meaning/usage as it seems to be directly related; technically, if this is further developed in the long term it could also be split into two pages, but that seems unlikely for now. R Prazeres (talk) 03:49, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Counterarguments welcome, but currently I think this ought to be split, R Prazeres. The lede describes two distinct things. An article on the Quranic reference and its interpretations, cultural ancedents/descendants etc. should mention the use of the term to describe a type of cooling and aerating water structure, but the structure could have its own article, with an etymology section linking to the Quranic-term article. If the Quranic-term article winds up as a stub for a bit, well, that's acceptable, it's not as if it's non-notable. Currently an article primarily about the structure is linked to a Wikidata item about a Quranic spring, which is awkward. I've templated Wikiprojects that might be interested in expanding the split articles (top of page). HLHJ (talk) 01:23, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

No objections here. I had that initial instinct but didn't want to go that far in one shot, so this second opinion is appreciated. R Prazeres (talk) 03:15, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I had the same reaction a while back, and thus didn't split it, but on reflection I think I was wrong. I've templated for a split proposal in case anyone else has a view, the article names are preliminary suggestions. HLHJ (talk) 04:38, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

That looks good. The only other suggestion for the architectural version might be "Salsabil (fountain)", but I think it gets the job done either way. R Prazeres (talk) 04:43, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Okay, it's been templated for a split for a week. I'll split out the Quranic term first, then the engineering devices, then make this into a disambiguation page. "Salsabil (fountain)" seems like it might be confusing as the term in the Quran may designate a fountain and some of the runnel-type salsabiils don't meet many people's idea of "fountain", but maybe "architecture" is too broad. There might even be portable salsabeels. So I'm leaning towards "fountain" (despite that article's odd lede statement). We can always move it later. I'm fairly sure the pronunciation is /səsəbiːl/, but have no source for that, and as the word is used in multiple languages it may have multiple pronunciations. HLHJ (talk) 15:46, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

You might be right on your first point there; "(architecture)" might be a little broad but it might also be less ambiguous with the Qur'anic reference. But I agree; do what you feel is best and it can always be moved again later. As for the pronunciation, I'm not sure, but it's definitely transliterated as salsabil in English sources (at least the architectural variant, that is). Thanks again for the work, R Prazeres (talk) 15:55, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Split. I found many romanizations, as typical for Arabic. I've listed them so search engines will find them. Don't know about redirects. I'm done for now. HLHJ (talk) 19:22, 3 July 2021 (UTC)