Talk:Saltwell Park/GA1

GA Review

Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch

Reviewer: EricEnfermero (talk · contribs) 04:35, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I will be glad to review this. After a quick readthrough and checks for copyright and disambiguation issues, the article looks good. I'll return tonight with a closer review, adding comments as I go. Kudos on an article that shows dedicated work over the last couple of months.

Comments

Lead

• "one of the finest examples of its type in Britain" - consider using a direct quote from the source

No problem. Done Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• In the second paragraph, remove apostrophe from "it's". This error appears at least one more time (the design section).

Done Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• Per WP:MOSQUOTES, double quotation marks are preferred, except for quotes within other quotes. Single quotes appear in several places within the article. Some of the quotation marks (such as those around the names of the park's sections, estates and awards) can be removed.

I think these have now been addressed Meetthefeebles (talk) 12:52, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• "these has been fully restored and is now" - grammar

Done Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• "which contains is a 4 acre..." - extra word, and change 4 to four. The numeral/word issue also occurs in the Principal attractions section.

Done Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• In the last paragraph of the lead, I would take out "prestigious", as its source is connected to the park.

Agreed and removed Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Conception and opening

• The third sentence (In 1805...) is quite long. You might break it up to ensure readability.

I've split it up as suggested. Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• "about resident's health" - change to plural, more than one resident

Indeed! done. Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• In the third paragraph, "but were discouraged" - change to "but it was discouraged"

Done Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• change "acres" to "acre"

Done Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Design and layout

• "Saltwell park" and "Saltwell Road south" - capitalize park and south

Done Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• "south east" - change to "southeast". There are other instances in the article. I think that British English may hyphenate these, but I don't think they can be two separate words.

I think I've changed all of these now. Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• third paragraph: "in the in the centre"

Quite. Changed. Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• last paragraph: "two child's play area"

Changed Meetthefeebles (talk) 12:52, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• Silverdust - seems it is usually two words

I'll take your word for it; an expert on flowers I am not! Changed as suggested :) Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Principal attractions

• Redundant mention of the builder of Saltwell Towers

Changed as suggested Meetthefeebles (talk) 12:52, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• "while the mansion was listed by English Heritage in 1973" - this bit seems out of place given the rest of the sentence

I've split the sentence and reworded slightly. Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• The sentence beginning "A Boer War Memorial..." is not a complete sentence. I would take out the "which".

I've split into two sentences which should now be okay. Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• Fifth paragraph: "A bandstand..." - overly long sentence. Split up for readability.

Done as suggested. Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• "Also renovated was Saltwell Dene;" - change semicolon to comma

Done Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• "Vickers Viscount 701 Airplane" - Airplane can be lower case

Changed Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• I would reference the airplane info with the Vickers source, not the Flickr one. The image with the lettering can still be seen in the Vickers source. Is there a reliable source that mentions the slide?

I've changed the reference as suggested. Sadly, I can't find anything reliable for the slide (though it certainly was there - I remember playing on it as a child!) so I've taken it out. Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Park use

• "hosted fundraising day" - hosted a

Changed Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• "ten kilometres" - ten-kilometre
• Who are the Saltwell Harriers?

They are an athletics club. I've noted this in the text. Meetthefeebles (talk) 11:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

References

No significant problems identified with spot checks of references.

Minor issues beyond the scope of WP:GAC:

• Per WP:MOSDASH, don't mix a preposition like from and an en dash, as in the lead: replace 1999–2005 with 1999 to 2005. This issue is present in a few places in this article.

These have now gone I think. Meetthefeebles (talk) 12:02, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• I don't think a dash is needed in "£3–million" in Principal attractions section

I've put a dash instead of a non-breaking space(?) Changed. Meetthefeebles (talk) 12:02, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• I would unlink "maze", as it is a common word. Same for "retained" in the second section.

I've unlinked maze as suggested. Retained is a more technical word that isn't used often here except in legal parlance, so I'd prefer to leave that link. Meetthefeebles (talk) 12:02, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• "the Borough Surveyor" - lower case per WP:MOSCAPS

Changed Meetthefeebles (talk) 12:02, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• In Principal attractions, "stood alongside the side" - may sound better to leave out "the side".

I've reworded to remove the repetition. Meetthefeebles (talk) 12:02, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• Unlink World War II in last section, as Second World War was already linked.

Removed. Meetthefeebles (talk) 12:02, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• "2 million" appears in the lead and the final section. WP:MOSNUM suggests that approximate values are spelled out (two million).

Both have been changed as suggested

• Consider moving one of the images in the Principal attractions section into the next section. None of the paragraphs are entirely sandwiched between pictures, but that section seems crowded.

I'd rather leave these for now; the paragraphs all start with the 'thing' shown in the corresponding picture so moving an image would detract from that. I appreciate that the last section is not illustrated and so the temptation is to move something into it but there are no freely available images that I could find which relate to that section I'm afraid. Meetthefeebles (talk) 12:52, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• In "The BBC" in the References section, capitalize "the" for consistency or omit it.

I've removed 'the' from all of them. Meetthefeebles (talk) 12:02, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• A couple of times there is no space between day and month or between month and year (29November or December2012) in the references.

Fixed. Meetthefeebles (talk) 12:02, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm confident that the stated feedback will be relatively easy to incorporate. I tried to account for variations between American and British English in my review, but just let me know if I've mistakenly identified something as an error. I am placing the article on hold for seven days to allow the feedback to be addressed. Good work so far! Thank you for a nice read. I learned some things today.EricEnfermero ^Howdy! 08:00, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Response

Thank you for picking this one up and I am glad you enjoyed the article. Most of the issues raised are quite cosmetic and I'll work my way through them over the next day or so... :) Meetthefeebles (talk) 10:55, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I've now made amendments per the above suggestions. There are one or two outstanding, which I'll come back to in a short while. Meetthefeebles (talk) 12:02, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I think these have now all been addressed. Let me know if anything else needs to be looked at :) Meetthefeebles (talk) 12:52, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Checklist

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Nominator and reviewer made minor copyedits to grammar.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	One instance of WP:WORDS has been addressed.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	All images checked for copyright status; no non-free images.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.	Congratulations on a job well done. Promoting to GA.

Thanks for your work! EricEnfermero ^Howdy! 19:01, 27 January 2013 (UTC)