Talk:Sam Flagg

Rank

I've included a discription in the article, of Flagg's ranks, first Lt.Col then Col. Does anyone have opinons on this addition. GoodDay 21:36, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

In the episode A Smattering of Intelligence, Ed Winter's first appearance under the character name "Colonel Flagg", he is clearly wearing a silver oak leaf and not an eagle. If he later wears an eagle as rank insignia then the description of his ranks would be accurate. I consider it unlikely that an eagle would be part of a disguise for him - he is never seen using a higher rank as an alias, only lower ranks. Darcyj 10:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

The silver oak leaf is a 'lieutenant colonel' (which he was in the first three seasons). GoodDay 23:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Last appearance

Didn't Flagg appear in the final episode of M*A*S*H? It's twenty years since I saw that, so my memory may be deceiving me, but I'm sure he was still up to his tricks until the last. John G Walker 21:12, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

He appeared in the sequel AfterMASH, but Flagg's last appearance was in the episode Rally Round the Flagg, Boys in season 7; at least that's what they say on tv.com. -- VederJuda 22:16, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I'll wait for the DVD of the fiinal episode to come out. If my memory is correct, I'll amend this article. I wouldn't know what to do about tv.com, since I don't know that site. John G Walker 14:17, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Correction

In the episode where Flagg tries to enlist Winchester in his spying, Flagg bursts in on a bridge game that includes the mayor of Ouijongbou and his brother, the police chief. It was not the mayor of Seoul as someone previous had entered. (I just saw that episode last night.) Ouijongbou is the town near where the 4077th is located. - Michael J 10:21, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Captain Halloran

Has it been confirmed one way or the other whether the Captain Halloran character that appeared in Deal Me Out was supposed to be Flagg using an alias?
JesseG 22:22, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

It never has. Since same actor playing a different character is not uncommon on M*A*S*H, (see Harry Morgan playing a looney general prior to Col. Potter), it's just speculation to assume that Halloran was meant to be Flagg, especially given how the latter was introduced. I'm taking it out. -- Aleal 19:23, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Besides Halloran and Flagg responded differently to Klinger wearing drag. Halloran said "Up close you're a guy." and Flagg snapped at Klinger to be in uniform the next time they met. Based upon that, I'd say we're dealing with tow different characters. Ken S. (talk) 13:45, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Your forgetting the fact in the season 4 episode with Flagg, and Sidney Freedman, Flagg tells Sidney they played poker once, after which, Sidney remembers the last time he saw him, and remembers that he was in "Intelligence". Its a rather obvious reference to Halloran just being another of Flagg's aliases. As Halloran claimed to be in "Intelligence" in the "Deal Me Out" episode.132.160.43.102 (talk) 23:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Just a note that I've fixed the Halloran stuff. I understand that fans want to make this inference and it is slightly possible. But apart from failing POV and original research situations, there's just guesswork and implication. M*A*S*H often brought back actors in different roles (see Harry Morgan as the crazy general prior to Potter). The dialogue exchange between Freedman and Flagg is relevant and useful and it's good to have it on the page, but it doesn't really "reveal" anything.

When Winter debuted as Flagg (eleven brodcast episodes after "Deal Me Out" but within the same season), the direction and script and acting depict it as his first visit to the 4077, as his first meeting with Hawkeye, Burns, et. al. Two seasons later, Flagg and Freedman are in the same episode. Larry Gelbart scripted or co-scripted "Deal Me Out," "A Smattering of Intelligence," and "Quo Vadis, Captain Chandler," so it could just as easily be a little joke on his part. (With weekly TV, prior to back to back reruns and DVDs, inconsistencies and recasts and so on abounded more then since it wasn't necessarily assumed fans would scrutinize it all years later). By the same token, another show from this era, Barney Miller, had several actors who appeared often as different victims/arrestees, and sometimes a "Haven't we met before?" line would be inserted (sometimes when they were playing the same character but often following two or three episodes in a different role entirely). And since Halloran was with CID (not Army Intelligence), the line doesn't prove anything one way or another. What would be needed to state "Halloran is Flagg" as fact is a quote from Gelbart or someone else to confirm that as intent and not coincidence or a private joke or anything else, since there's nothing in the source program to *explicitly* make that connection (though as I said, the "Quo, Vadis" dialogue should stay since it's sourced and accurate and does contain a possible inference or implication which readers can make up their own minds about, as opposed to a flat statement or direct revalation). Otherwise, like I said, it's all POV and original research. -- Aleal (talk) 21:52, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, someone should fix the ranks and "all may be covers" section. Is "Captain" in there solely because of Halloran? Lt. Colonel versus Colonel, do both refer to Flagg? Is there anything not from Flagg or a character reacting to his information and claims to confirm a rank and thus at least clarify which the army fully recognizes and so on? I don't have the whole series on DVD so I can't check on this myself. -- Aleal (talk) 22:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

There needs to be a disambiguation

Colonel Flagg is also the name of a DC Comics character. A page on the comic character needs to be made and then this disambiguated 166.217.170.51 (talk) 02:32, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Flagg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.217.170.51 (talk) 02:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Neither spelling nor rank is the same, and the first names differ, so I'm not sure a disambiguation is needed. I don't even know how such a disambiguation page would work: "Characters named Flag or Flagg"? -- Aleal (talk) 02:55, 30 December 2008 (UTC)