Talk:Sam Hyde

Birthday

He was born April 16 1985 and is 39 years old 152.117.98.31 (talk) 05:08, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

See WP:DOB. This needs a reliable source. Grayfell (talk) 05:11, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

https://www.facebook.com/share/ZMWny3N7g7XMp3T3/?mibextid=WC7FNe Although the name is a joke his birthday is real from the man himself 149.154.44.7 (talk) 16:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Racist Signs at Yale

Should the stuff about the racist signs Sam Hyde brought to Yale be included in the article? There seems to be a lot of confusion about why exactly Sam Hyde is called Alt-Right by so many news outlets so I think some specific examples might clear things up.

Apparently, "The signs had messages on the front side that said "All Lives Matter" and "No More Dead Black Children."

But the back side of the signs had messages that referred to black criminality, violence, and rape."

Buzzfeed News also mentions Sam Hyde and fellow MDE member Charls Carroll carrying the signs.

Messages about "black criminality, violence, and rape" seem noteworthy enough to put in the article to me. Let me know what you think.

And here are two more articles talking about the signs. PippaFan31 (talk) 22:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

I think this article needs a bit of a rewrite, but I am somewhat daunted by the task as I don't have all the information to hand. But if you read it as it is now, it is an excellent example of what is wrong with WP:PROSELINE. Instead of telling us what Sam Hyde is, we have a series of paragraph after paragraph of the things he has done. What you suggest adding could be useful, but definitely not if it is going to be added in the form of "In 2015 Sam Hyde..."

Having read some secondary sources about Hyde, I was informed about Hyde in a manner that this article fails. Those sources were generally hostile, but they suggest he is known for his trolling humour. They also suggest that he himself instigated or furthered the Same Hyde is the shooter thing. The signs you mention would be an example of this trolling. So we start with the secondary sources, and say something about his approach to humour and political comment, and then this could be an example.

It's a tricky one. Trolling humour is supposed to cause a reaction and allow those who see the trolling for what it is to be in on the joke. Outrageous claims are thus made in the name of humour. But are those who are "in on the joke" actually just complicit in the propagation of outrageous claims under cover of humour? Some sources will discuss this, and that discussion (rather than our own thoughts) should find its way into the presentation of who he is, and what he does. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:16, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

The lead - Hyde being described as incorporating racist, anti-Semitic and homophobic themes in his comedy.

The section title sums it up. There is ample sourcing that describes Hyde's comedy this way. A recent attempt to whitewash the lead was pure WP:OR. I don't see any sources that say "Hyde uses an exaggerated persona" or anything like that; nor do I see any reliable sourcing that says he's not using racist (or any of the other adjectives) themes in his comedy. It's all well and good to protect a person's reputation through BLP, but you can't use BLP to wipe out actual sourced statements that happen to support sentences that fans of the person don't like. The sources speak for themeselves. Fred Zepelin (talk) 18:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

As no one has replied to this thread in 9 days, I assume no one has a a problem with my points here. Fred Zepelin (talk) 20:14, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

read section(s) above --FMSky (talk) 21:54, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Indeed. Per my comment on 4 October, 10:37, what is needed is a more coherent page (I mean, I literally cannot learn anything from all the PROSELINE on the page other than that people find him controversial). When that is done, a rewritten lead without novel information and a run of sources should be possible. Looking for sources, I have found the following. There are several books looking at aspects, with Sam Hyde is the shooter taking centre stage in some, whilst describing Hyde as a writer of MDE (Foreman et al, 2022:141). Others look at the trolling aspect. The critical look at how comedy is used by the alt right (Sienkiewicz & Marx, 2024) is potentially very good. The papers also look at this aspect, but I note that one (Sienkiewicz & Marx, 2021) is by the same authors as the book.

Books

• Boatright, Robert G.; Shaffer, Timothy J.; Sobieraj, Sarah; Young, Dannagal Goldthwaite (18 February 2019). A Crisis of Civility?: Political Discourse and Its Discontents. Routledge. ISBN 978-1-351-05196-5.
• Foreman, Gene; Biddle, Daniel R.; Lounsberry, Emilie; Jones, Richard G. (21 June 2022). The Ethical Journalist: Making Responsible Decisions in the Digital Age. John Wiley & Sons. ISBN 978-1-119-77747-2.
• Marantz, Andrew (20 February 2020). Antisocial: How Online Extremists Broke America. Pan Macmillan. ISBN 978-1-5098-8250-2.
• Sienkiewicz, Matt; Marx, Nick (26 March 2024). That's Not Funny: How the Right Makes Comedy Work for Them. Univ of California Press. ISBN 978-0-520-40296-6.
• Webber, Julie A. (11 December 2018). The Joke Is on Us: Political Comedy in (Late) Neoliberal Times. Rowman & Littlefield. ISBN 978-1-4985-6985-9.

Papers

• Aspray, Benjamin (2019). "On Trolling as Comedic Method". Journal of Cinema and Media Studies. 58 (3): 154–160. ISSN 2578-4900. Retrieved 31 October 2024.
• Sienkiewicz, Matt; Marx, Nick (2021). "Appropriating Irony: Conservative Comedy, Trump-Era Satire, and the Politics of Television Humor". JCMS: Journal of Cinema and Media Studies. 60 (4): 85–108. ISSN 2578-4919. Retrieved 31 October 2024.

Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:30, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Life and career

Date of birth, place raised, and high school need to be verified Treevar (talk) 01:28, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2024

Sam Hyde is currently one of the Host fish tank. 24.46.13.249 (talk) 02:26, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 03:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)