Talk:Samad Behrangi

A few Persian articles

Some Persian articles could be found at [1] and [2]. roozbeh 18:19, Oct 2, 2004 (UTC)

a suggestion

Hi Roozbeh. I think it's a good idea to add a bibliography section and also a separate page for Ulduz, Talkhoon and Azarbayijan Tales. Because I am a rookie here, I haven't done anything yet. Let me know if I can help this article or any other. Your guidance is highly appreciated. Cheers, MrMo 01:06, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Behrangi's death

After Sarkouhi's announcement, sticking to the old SAVAK conspiracy is rather off-color. I corrected the text. mrjahan If you want to write a portion of history don't change it to your liking. His death was within reasonable doubt of assassination. You cannot eliminate that fact. Others will check the facts and decide for themselves whether to believe he was ordered by Pahlavi regime to be killed or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bull6645 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Behrangi wrote originally in Azeri language

The source says Behrangi wrote in Azeribaijani language, then translated them into Persian in order to make them available in Iran (at that time). It's a quite clear sentence. The source is reliable, its author is Professor Iraj Bashiri, University of Minnesota. See the link. Regards. E104421 (talk) 13:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Iranchamber, Death, Azeri

Dear E104421, iranchamber.com is not a reliable source, by the way, it dosn't read what you wrote. Azeri has never been banned in Iran, as for example Heydar Babaya Salam was published in 1954. Behrangi's death circumstance is not clear. There is no evidence that it can be attributed to Pahlavis.--Raayen (talk) 14:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

• As i had already stated above its author is Professor Iraj Bashiri, University of Minnesota See the link which makes it reliable. See also A Brief Note on Samad Behrangi's Life by Iraj Bashiri. Regards. E104421 (talk) 11:01, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, let's leave reliability for now. The source doesn't say what you edited.--Raayen (talk) 17:38, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

• Iraj Bashiri states that "Behrangi's native tongue was Azeri Turkish and, personally, preferred writing in Azeri over Farsi. He was not, however, allowed to publish in Azeri; he, therefore, made his writings available by translating them into Persian." The link is already provided above. Please do not remove the sourced information. Regards. E104421 (talk) 13:53, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Copyright Infringement

E104421, actually your sources have the problem of Copyright Infringement: [3].--Raayen (talk) 14:26, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

• See Wikipedia:Copyrights Regards E104421 (talk) 01:48, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

• I meant one of the sources claims that the other source of yours has violated its copyright! [4]. Both of the sources are against WP:SPS, and specially WP:BLP#Reliable_sources. And none are "established expert(s) on the topic of the article". Heydar Babaya Salam was published in 1954. How could Shahriar publish in Azeri, but Behrangi couldn't?! The sources have expressions such as " generally, is understood" and "commonly believed" about his death. These are in the category of rumours (WP:NOTGOSSIP) and conjectures (WP:SPECULATION). It is about the death of a person, we cannot just write that a bunch of people say somebody is the killer. --Raayen (talk) 04:21, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

• That's what the sources say. See Wikipedia:Verifiability. Regards. E104421 (talk) 02:17, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

• Both me and E104421 are pretty good candidates for violating 3rr on this article :)

Please consult the following quotes from wikipedia.

Wikipedia:Verifiability:

In general, the most reliable sources are peer-reviewed journals and books published in university presses; university-level textbooks; magazines, journals, and books published by respected publishing houses; and mainstream newspapers.

WP:SPS:

Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, forum postings, and similar sources are largely not acceptable.

BTW, everybody knows who killed Abraham Lincoln, because it has been proved. Booth threatened him. There were witnesses and reliable sources say he was the assassin. Here we have one witness who says Behrangi drowned, and Prof. Bashiri's website which says he was killed. The fact that he is a faculty doesn't change nothing. Both of the sources include questionable materials and invite inquiry because themselves use generally, is understood and commonly believed. Those are common believes of revolutionaries at the time who were trying hardly to defame Pahlavis in anyway they could.--Raayen (talk) 14:47, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

• I think you misunderstood my argument. See WP:Verifiability. I'll quote the relevant paragraphs here:

The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or the material may be removed.

Wikipedia:Verifiability is one of Wikipedia's core content policies. The others are Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Jointly, these policies determine the type and quality of material that is acceptable in Wikipedia articles. They should not be interpreted in isolation from one another, and editors should familiarize themselves with all three. To discuss the reliability of particular sources, see the reliable sources noticeboard.

As i had already stated above the source is Professor Iraj Bashiri, University of Minnesota which makes it reliable. See also A Brief Note on Samad Behrangi's Life by Iraj Bashiri. Regards. E104421 (talk) 18:33, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

• To compromise, i removed the for and against sentences. Regards. E104421 (talk) 18:45, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

The key phrase is "already been published by a reliable source". Sources should be reliable not individuals who wrote something which cannot be proved in any way. Please present a reliable source published by Prof. Bashiri, not from his personal website, because it is against WP:SPS. I don't revert your edits anymore, because as I checked it seems to be against the rules.--Raayen (talk) 02:40, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Raayen is correct, Mr. Bashiri's note does not seem to have been "already been published by a reliable source". Therefore, a page hosted on angelfire.com. could have been uploaded there by anyone, and can not be verified or used as a reliable source. --Kurdo777 (talk) 22:48, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

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