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editWould it make more sense to capitalize "rural council"? I created Svislach rural council, Mogilev Region, so I am not sure if it looks off. At the moment I am leaning towards keeping it how it is now but a second opinion would be useful. Mellk (talk) 15:34, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- All pages with titles containing selsoviet - Russia - mostly capitalized. Selsoviet is exactly "rural council"
- All pages with titles containing rural council -Belarus. Maybe it makes sense to use the term "selsaviet" (cf. be:Самахвалавіцкі сельсавет). Because he word "council" in the name of a territorial unit looks weird. - Altenmann >talk 16:59, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- If we were to use the romanization of "сельсавет", it would have to be "syel'savyet" according to BGN/PCGN romanization of Belarusian, though this looks to have relatively little usage compared to "selsoviet". The other issue is that the higher level administrative divisions in Belarus are translated as district and region instead of raion/rayon and oblast/voblasts. Mellk (talk) 17:10, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- District and Region was a decision of a dingle person some time ago without any discussion. It created mental twist to see that 'raion' is not 'region'.
- If we were to use the romanization of "сельсавет", it would have to be "syel'savyet" according to BGN/PCGN romanization of Belarusian, though this looks to have relatively little usage compared to "selsoviet". The other issue is that the higher level administrative divisions in Belarus are translated as district and region instead of raion/rayon and oblast/voblasts. Mellk (talk) 17:10, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
It Ukraine and Russia it is "oblast": All pages with titles containing oblast. I would rather rename Belarusian to Voblast, for consistency of all three East Slavic. - Altenmann >talk 17:20, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- I think "oblast" would be better in that case, not only due to consistency with the other articles and the article oblast but the regional administrative centers do not follow Belarusian romanization anyway due to common name, so it might look a little strange to have something like Mogilev Voblasts and Grodno Voblasts rather than Mahilyow Voblasts and Hrodna Voblasts. Mellk (talk) 17:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- Makes sense. It appears English lang has the borrowed word 'oblast': https://www.dictionary.com/browse/oblast, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oblast and there is virtrually no voblasts in use. Besides the term e.g. Minsk Region is ambiguous: is it oblast or region? Also on the official site in English they have "oblast" in names - Altenmann >talk 18:08, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- I see some mixed usage between oblast and region e.g.[1] but for titles I would probably lean towards "oblast". I also see that for Russia it is district rather than raion (list of districts in Russia) while for Ukraine it is raion rather than district (raions of Ukraine). I have not been here long enough to know why there is this discrepancy, though. Mellk (talk) 18:26, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- Renamed in 2010 after non-convincing discussion I didnt take part unfortunately: [Talk:Regions_of_Belarus#Requested_move]]. - Altenmann >talk 18:49, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- I see some mixed usage between oblast and region e.g.[1] but for titles I would probably lean towards "oblast". I also see that for Russia it is district rather than raion (list of districts in Russia) while for Ukraine it is raion rather than district (raions of Ukraine). I have not been here long enough to know why there is this discrepancy, though. Mellk (talk) 18:26, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- Makes sense. It appears English lang has the borrowed word 'oblast': https://www.dictionary.com/browse/oblast, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oblast and there is virtrually no voblasts in use. Besides the term e.g. Minsk Region is ambiguous: is it oblast or region? Also on the official site in English they have "oblast" in names - Altenmann >talk 18:08, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
OK. One thing at a time: since we are the "pioneers" with Belarusian selsoviets, I suggest to be bold and use the "X Selsoviet" naming, per "Selsoviet" (at least less typing :-) and see the reaction. - Altenmann >talk 18:49, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- OK, we can deal with regions/districts later and try "selsoviet" for now. Mellk (talk) 19:00, 13 November 2023 (UTC)