Talk:Sambo (martial art)

Nick Diaz and Heath Herring

I would like to see evidence of their notable practice of sambo. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 01:22, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Sambo wanst invented in Japan

-it shouldnt be counted as country of origin--Quandapanda (talk) 12:48, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Combat vs Sport

Surprised there is no discussion in the article of the different types?! Mathmo ^Talk 05:16, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Ah, never mind, I see now, there was a massive amount of blanking of the article. :-/ Mathmo ^Talk 05:25, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Medal table (2006–2009)

Why don't the numbers add up correctly? Are the totals outdated or are individual numbers wrong?--Razionale (talk) 12:55, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

List of European Instructors

This list has been recently added to the Styles section.

• Sambo Masters/Grand masters and Instructors in Europe
• Ausztria: Herbert Neubauer
• Germany: Josef Bart, Alfred Grimm
• United Kingdom: Grandmaster Martin Clarke, Grandmaster Rustam J. Sudoczki, Grandmaster Jalali Damirov,
• Bulgarie: Roumen Stoilov, Georgi Yousev
• Hungary: Papp Imre
• France: Jean-Claude Cerutti, Franck Gerards
• Belgium: Christian d'Heygere, Brahim pocky
• Hravatska: Zeljko Banic, Jadranko Cacic
• Czech Republic: Lukas Pilz, Aleksandr Chrapak
• Finnland: Auvo Niiniketo
• Greek: Merabi Iliadis, Georgios Chatzoglakis
• Ireland: Leonid Popovici, Joseph Cummins
• Poland: Marek Porycki, Vladimir Pashits, Oleksandr Gorbatiuk

It has no refs. I do not see the purpose (especially in the Styles section). I removed it from the article and placed it here for now. If you strongly believe it should be included in the article, please provide reasons and refs. Cheers.--Truther2012 (talk) 02:37, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

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Prohibited holds

The article gives the impression that very few types of submission hold (apart from choke-holds) are excluded by the rules of Sambo. Having read the current international rules for sport Sambo I'm not sure about that. The rules in the English version (probably translated from Russian) are not always clear, but they seem to exclude quite a lot: headlocks and spine-locks of any kind; head and body scissors; finger and toe holds; twisting the foot by the heel (heel hooks and similar holds); knee bars; arm-locks behind the back; some holds on the hands; throwing the opponent using a submission hold; applying a submission hold with a jerk; any submission hold in a standing position. Maybe the rules have been made more restrictive for safety reasons. Overall I don't think the rules allow anything that isn't allowed in Brazilian Jujitsu, while they exclude all choke holds, which are allowed in both BJJ and Judo. If anyone understand the current rules better than I do (maybe using the Russian version) I hope they can clarify the position.81.146.36.5 (talk) 15:02, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 11 November 2018

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to not move, therefore, not moved. Still a well known racial term. (closed by non-admin page mover) Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 21:26, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

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• Sambo (martial art) → Sambo
• Sambo → Sambo (disambiguation)

– Sambo is actually a martial art and combat sport, popular worldwide (at the current 2018 World Sambo Championships more than 500 athletes from 80 countries are participating). "Sambo" is also a character in The Story of Little Black Sambo, after which the racial term and a restaurant was named. It is clear what of these meanings is more prevalent. User:Tomcat7 (talk) 13:44, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

• Comment: I have no strong view for or against, but for what it's worth, the page view statistics for the last 3 years are here. The martial arts article gets about twice as many views as any other single article on the disambiguation page. --  Dr Greg  talk  14:50, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose gets 40% of views so fails the first half of WP:PT, in GBooks also fails the "Sambo is" test, so fails the second half of PT as well. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:19, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

• Do you mean WP:PT? Where do you found the claim that 40 % of views an article must receive to be primary? There are actually enough books about Sambo, not all books can be found in Gbooks. What halves do you mean? WP:PT is only a section of Wikipedia:Disambiguation...User:Tomcat7 (talk) 10:37, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. As a racial term it is also well known. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:33, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

• So if it wasn't a racial term you would support the move?User:Tomcat7 (talk) 10:37, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose: Agree with Anthony Appleyard above (sadly it's still the case). --Woofboy (talk) 03:42, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

• Your vote is not objective.User:Tomcat7 (talk) 10:37, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

• Support - Sambo is more well-known as a martial art than as a racial term. Hansen Sebastian^Talk 17:41, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. If anything is primary here as far as long-term significance is concerned it's definitely the racial term. I'm frankly amazed that anyone would think otherwise. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:56, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

• In what way is it more important? For Americans only? Sambo is a term founded by Russians, and this American term is not notable. Note that only the English version of Sambo (racial term) exists, while there are 41 versions of the martial arts article.User:Tomcat7 (talk) 10:25, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

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Rustam J. Sudoczki name editing re-add the name

Dear wikipedia.

I tried to edit the Sambo Martial arts site couple of times. Specially 2 things. 1st: I cut and copy Rustam J. Sudoczki name from the champions list (from below to the top). But the wikipedia editor, or I dont know who is deleted.

Here is the references about Rustam J. Sudoczki :

https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Sambo_(martial_art)

http://piglix.com/?qa=piglix/Sambo_(martial_arts)

https://www.maria-online.us/sport/article.php?lg=en&q=Sambo(martial_art)

https://epo.wikitrans.net/Sambo_(martial_art)

https://www.revolvy.com/page/Sambo-%28martial-art%29

https://www.revolvy.com/page/Sambo-%28martial-art%29

2nd. I want add John Clarke (son of Martin Clarke ) in the list. He is the British Sambo Federation President and the In ternational Budo Federation President as well.

Here is the references about John Clarke:

http://www.budo-ibf.co.uk/martin-clarke/

http://combatdisciplines.blogspot.com/2014/06/john-clarke-hero-of-day-because-of-sambo.html

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/sittingbourne/news/martial-arts-expert-died-during-swim-185832/

https://britishsombofederation.com/bsf-news/f/john-clarke

https://www.commonwealthsambo.com/john-clarke-appointed-to-the-commonwealth-sambo-advisory-council/

PLease re-add the names on the championlist

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Berzaev Rustam (talk • contribs) 22:45, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Article issues and classification

Article fails the criteria #1 states; The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations. It has reliable sources, and any important or controversial material which is likely to be challenged is cited., and #4, The article is reasonably well-written.

The article has "needing additional references" (July 2014), unsourced statements (September 2022), "external links" and "spam" cleanup (February 2014). Reassess to C-class.

External links

There are ten entries in the "External links". Three seems to be an acceptable number and of course, everyone has their favorite to add for four. The problem is that none is needed for article promotion.

• ELpoints #3) states: Links in the "External links" section should be kept to a minimum. A lack of external links or a small number of external links is not a reason to add external links.
• LINKFARM states: There is nothing wrong with adding one or more useful content-relevant links to the external links section of an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia. On articles about topics with many fansites, for example, including a link to one major fansite may be appropriate.
• WP:ELMIN: Minimize the number of links. -- Otr500 (talk) 01:07, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
• WP:ELCITE ...and access dates are not appropriate in the external links section. Do not use {{cite web}} or other citation templates in the External links section. Citation templates are permitted in the Further reading section. -- Otr500 (talk) 22:39, 10 March 2023 (UTC)