Talk:Samir Handanović

Requested move 1

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The result of the proposal was moved. No opposition after almost two weeks. Renaming on Slovenian Wikipedia will have to be left to their admins. --BDD (talk) 16:10, 14 March 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Samir Handanović → Samir Handanovič Jasmin Handanović → Jasmin Handanovič – The native Slovenian name of the two footballers is Handanovič, not Handanović. Handanovič is Slovenianized version of Bosniak Handanović. However, since both footballers are Slovenian citizens, the native name Handanovič should be used. Also, the Slovenian Football Association calls them Handanovič. link User:Sofeshue 20:28, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

• Question - sl:Samir Handanović hr:Samir Handanovič (same hr:Jasmin Handanovič). Самир Ханданович in Cyrillic Bosnian would be Č, but you're saying sl.wp is wrong. Wouldn't it make sense to correct sl.wp before en.wp? In ictu oculi (talk) 08:35, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Prečrkovanje cirilica-latinica (po cirilskem abecednem vrstnem redu)

Cirilica	А	Б	В	Г	Д	Ђ	Е	Ж	З	И	Ј	К	Л	Љ	М	Н	Њ	О	П	Р	С	Т	Ћ	У	Ф	Х	Ц	Ч	Џ	Ш
Latinica	A	B	V	G	D	Đ	E	Ž	Z	I	J	K	L	Lj	M	N	Nj	O	P	R	S	T	Ć	U	F	H	C	Č	Dž	Š

• Comment - I do think the Slovenian wiki is wrong. The letter ć is not even part of the Slovenian alphabet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sofeshue (talk • contribs) 06:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

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Overlooked move request

I noticed that this page has been moved from Handanović to Handanovič. However, my other request (see above discussion) to move his borther Jasmin Handanovič (correct) was overlooked, and the page title is still Jasmin Handanović (incorrect). --User:Sofeshue 07:08, 21 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sofeshue (talk • contribs)

Requested move (Sep 2013)

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The result of the discussion was move all per consensus. bd2412 T 12:22, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

• Samir Handanovič → Samir Handanović
• Jasmin Handanovič → Jasmin Handanović
• Zlatko Dedič → Zlatko Dedić
• Aleksander Radosavljevič → Aleksander Radosavljević
• Branko Ilič → Branko Ilić
• Zlatan Ljubijankič → Zlatan Ljubijankić
• Dalibor Stevanovič → Dalibor Stevanović

– I am requesting a page move for a bunch of Slovenian footballers because their family names have been Slovenianized for whatever reason (I suspect nationalism from certain users), even though those footballers use the names in the fashion as those proposed in this move. I do not know which articles have been moved in the past, but I see that in the case of the Handanović brothers the move was successful, though it seems that at the time of the request only the opinion of Sofeshue was taken into account.
Even though the letter Ć is not part of the Slovenian alphabet it is still used. The same thing applies for other "foreign" letters such as Ä, Ö, Ü etc. One good example is Danilo Türk who was the President of Slovenia between 2007 and 2012 and his name was used as such in official documents and in the media.
All players mentioned in the move are or were part of the Slovenia national football team and use/d the letter ć on their national team jerseys:

• Samir Handanovič (example: [1], [2] and here we see Handanović recieveing a promotional Slovenian national basketball team jersey as part of the promotion of 2013 Eurobasket which was hosted by Slovenia [3]).
• Jasmin Handanovič uses the letter ć on his club yersey and the same letter is used on his player profile page of NK Maribor, a Slovenian club he currently plays for ([4]). He is also part of the Slovenian national team and, like his cousin, uses ć on that jersey as well ([5]).
• The case of Zlatko Dedič is a bit tricky. He was born in Bosnia and Herzegovina and in the past used both letter on his Slovenia national team jersey (č [6] and ć [7]).
• Here is Aleksander Radosavljevič in a Slovenian national team jersey also using the letter ć on the back side [8]. His current club, from Slovenia, also uses ć for the player ([9]).
• Even though Branko Ilič is a current player of Slovenia national football team, I am unable to find a good picture of him in the NT jersey that is showing how his family name is spelled (though I know he uses ć).
• Zlatan Ljubijankič uses the letter ć on his Slovenia national team yersey ([10]).
• Dalibor Stevanovič is also one of those guys that uses the letter ć on his Slovenia national team jersey ([11]). Relisted. Favonian (talk) 18:06, 7 October 2013 (UTC). Ratipok (talk) 17:18, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

• Comment - most users are going to need more background to explain why it is a bad thing that Slovenian footballers be slovenianized. Are you saying that these footballers are ethnic Croatian and BLP subjects prefer to keep Croatian spelling? In ictu oculi (talk) 23:38, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Then cautious Support - okay, thank you User:Ratipok, based on the example you gave of Danilo Türk, and the case-by-case evidence and explanation, it seems most in accord with WP:BLP and normal complications of BLP names in this region to assume as default that each of these moves is correct in using the ethnic minority Serbian/Bosnian diacritic rather than the Slovenian diacritic. However someone please ping me here if there is a case of one of these bios deliberately using Slovenian diacritic where the option not to do so exists. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:07, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

• Comment These names should be as they would appear in an English-language source, which is presumably without these unusual diacritics. 103.250.234.97 (talk) 03:01, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually the mentioned players are ethnic Bosniaks and Serbs, members of the Bosniak and Serbian minority in Slovenia. They were either born abroad and moved to Slovenia or were born in Slovenia to immigrant parents. Also, I am not saying that the spelling is a bad thing, but I am saying that the spelling is wrong. For most of the mentioned players the spelling was correct and was then changed based on the opinion of one person, without consensus. And that kind of spelling couldn't be wrong since its used in everyday life across the country. I can provide countless of sources from the media regarding the mentioned players, with the media using the letter ć. I think I showed that foreign letters can be used on the basis of the former President of Slovenia, who's last name was Türk. PS: wont even bother of answering the IP user, since he obviously missed tons of wiki debates about diacritics. Ratipok (talk) 17:33, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, numerous RMs have upheld the principle of native-language diacritics, especially BLPs. This excludes, of course, cases an English name is more appropriate, such as if Samir here were most notable from a English-language rapping career as "Sammy Handy." But as such, "Samir Handanovic" isn't an English name; it's essentially just an error. --BDD (talk) 23:30, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

User:BDD, looks like you're talking to another sock I'm afraid, will add it the latest SPI. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:07, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. – Michael (talk) 19:16, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

• Comment: What do sources say? bobrayner (talk) 18:22, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

It varies upon different sources. For the mentioned players some use ć and the others č (I am referring to the Slovenian media). For example: here is a news of Samir Handanović becoming a father - RTV Slovenia uses the letter ć [12] and Siol uses č [13]. Here we have Siol news about Handanović spelled with ć [14][15][16]. At the end of the day its up to the journalists who writes the article, though I am sure that ć prevails and is used more often (again I am talking for the Slovenian media and for the mentioned players - that is, persons from Slovenia but not ethnic Slovenes). In any case, this simply means that ć is applicable in Slovenia and not wrong, as it was insinuated during the first requested move, which was successful, but only based on one opinion. However, all the mentioned players currently use the letter ć on the back of their national team jerseys and clubs (see sources above) and how those are spelled depends on the will and wishes of the players. Two of the mentioned players are currently members of Slovenian football clubs and both of those clubs also use the letter ć (see sources for Jasmin Handanović and Radosavljević above).Ratipok (talk) 00:07, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

• Support No reason mentioned why spelling used on Slovenia national football team jerseys wouldn't be better. FootballCleaner (talk) 19:17, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Also, when I started this request I couldn't provide a source that Branko Ilić also uses ć on the back of his Slovenia national team jersey. Here it is [17]. Ratipok (talk) 01:16, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

• Support A wrong diacritic, or one that is missing, is a misspelling. -- Ohc ^¡digame!_{¿que pasa?} 03:58, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

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Good article nominee

I think this article is a good candidate to receive the 'Good Article' award. Anybody agrees?

Sepguilherme (talk) 17:06, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kosack (talk · contribs) 09:44, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

I'll take this one, will post review as soon as possible. Kosack (talk) 09:44, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Lead

• Do we need the Bosnian IPA?
• "During the 2010–11 Serie A season he saved a total of six penalty kicks, equalling an all-time league record set in the 1948–49 season", this seems an odd thing to list in only the second sentence. Possibly could be included further down in the lead.
• There is no real summary of his club career here, it needs at least one paragraph detailing major achievements in his club career and where he's played etc.
• "played for them at the 2010 FIFA World Cup.", no need for the ref after this, it's adequately sourced within the article.
• "He has gone on to earn 81 caps for his country", as he's now retired, this should be changed to past tense.
• "Regarded as one of the best goalkeepers of his generation", this statements needs better sourcing. It currently has an 8th place finish in a annual award and the Daily Mail which, per WP:DAILYMAIL, is not considered a reliable source.

Early career

• Only a single sentence for his time in Slovenia, with no mention of the loan spell at Zagorje,  could do with expanding on this area further.
• His transfer fee to Udinese is mentioned in the ref provided, I'd include that.
• Ref 8 takes me to a newsfeed rather than any specific page so it doesn't support the two sentences it's used with here.
• Second paragraph is a bit muddled, starts with him joining Treviso, then Lazio, then his sending off for Treviso and then back to his appearances for Lazio. The sentence below about his single Lazio appearance could be incorporated into this paragraph also.
• Last sentence of the second paragraph is unsourced.
• "Thanks also to his saves, Rimini remained undefeated in both championship games played against Juventus. The club finished fifth in the Serie B and conceded the fourth least number of goals in the league.", source?
• "In June 2017, despite Rimini excised the option, Udinese also excised the option by paying Rimini €250,00 in net.", this sentence doesn't make sense.

Return to Udinese

• The first part of this sentence is just repeating the last section above isn't it?
• Could do with expanding perhaps, there's a big jump from 2007 to 2009.

2009–10 season

• "which were priceless for Udinese", personal opinion that is not supported by the ref.

2010–11 season

• Do we know who's penalty saves record he equalled?

Internazionale

• The first sentence here is very long. Could do with breaking up more. Try to avoid using references mid sentence also.

2012–13 season

• His transfer occured at the start of this season so that could be merged into this section.
• Both legs of the Hadjuk tie are given the same date?
• Second half of the second paragraph is unsourced.
• "On 19 June 2013 Inter acquired Handanović outright, and sold Faraoni to Udinese for undisclosed fees", try to avoid leaving single sentences on their own. Could be worked into a paragraph somewhere.

2013–14 season

• "in Mazzarri's first match in charge", explain who Mazzarri is and link to his article.
• Last sentence of the third paragraph is unsourced.
• "in Javier Zanetti's last competitive match at San Siro", is that relevant to Handanovic?

2014–15 season

• Unlink Milan and Derby della Madonnina, per WP:OVERLINK. Both are linked in the previous section.

2015-16

• "Handanović made perhaps his worst appearance", personal opinion not supported by the ref.
• Unlink Atalanta and UEFA Europa League, linked previously in the article.
• "by European media", that's a very broad term and needs to be narrowed down.

2017–18 season

• Unlink Juventus and Lazio, both previously linked.
• Last sentence is unsourced.

International career

• Is there any potential expansion on his Slovakia youth levels? Even a brief mention of representation at various youth levels could be included.
• "Handanović was a regular member of the team during the 2006 FIFA World Cup qualifying campaign, being used mostly as a back-up for the veteran Borut Mavrič. ", source?
• Last paragraph is largely unsourced.

Career statistics

• No need for total rows on single season spells in a stats table.

See also

• No need for this, the links are far too broad and have no real relevance to Handanovic.

References

• Per WP:ALLCAPS, ref titles should not be displayed in all capitals even if the ref uses them. This applies to refs 4, 14, 15, 17, 24, 32, 45, 50, 61, 68, 74, 84, 87, 89, 90, 93, 94 and 96.
• Is sporting.heroes.net a reliable source? This ref would be very easy to replace so I would find a better source.
• Refs 8, 10, 13, 25, 26, 60, 75, and 80 are dead or expired so the information can't be verified. They need rescuing or replacing.
• Refs 29, 34, 65, and 74 need an author.
• Is footballlineups.com a reliable source?
• A few uses of the Daily Mail as a source need to be replaced, per WP:DAILYMAIL.
• Use the full name of RSSSF.com, The Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation.
• Some refs use the author= field while others use the last=, first= fields for authors. Stick to one style for consistency.

External links

• NFT is used as a reference so doesn't need listing here.

Unfortunately, I'm failing this article as there is too much to be reasonably fixed within a GA review. As well as the issues listed above, the article needs a good copyedit to address grammar issues. The basis of a GA is there, the Udinese, Inter and smaller sections just need some fine tuning but the rest needs some attention. Kosack (talk) 07:52, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Handanovič, not Handanović

. RealSonny (talk) 17:42, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Samir Handanović

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Samir Handanović's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "soccerway":

• From Alexis Sánchez: "Alexis Alejandro Sánchez Sánchez". Soccerway. Perform Group. Retrieved 5 May 2019.
• From Miralem Pjanić: "M. Pjanić". Soccerway. Retrieved 22 May 2021.
• From Zlatan Ibrahimović: "Z. Ibrahimovic – Honours". Soccerway. Retrieved 10 August 2015.
• From Boštjan Cesar: "Slovenia – B. Cesar – Soccerway". soccerway.com. Retrieved 9 July 2020.
• From Martín Satriano: Samir Handanović at Soccerway
• From Slovenian PrvaLiga: "1. SNL". Soccerway. Retrieved 3 May 2012.
• From Tim Matavž: "T. Matavž". Soccerway. Retrieved 28 February 2018.
• From Nicolò Zaniolo: "N. Zaniolo". Soccerway. Retrieved 16 October 2019.
• From Eintracht Frankfurt: "Germany – Eintracht Frankfurt – Results, fixtures, squad, statistics, photos, videos and news". Soccerway. Perform Group. Retrieved 28 February 2017.
• From Josip Iličić: "J. Iličić". Soccerway. Retrieved 9 January 2016.
• From Lautaro Martínez: "Argentina - L. Martínez - Profile with news, career statistics and history - Soccerway". soccerway.com. Retrieved 2015-12-02.
• From Nejc Pečnik: "Slovenia – N. Pečnik – Soccerway". soccerway.com. Retrieved 10 June 2020.
• From Dušan Vlahović: Samir Handanović at Soccerway
• From Jan Oblak: Jan Oblak at Soccerway. Retrieved 26 April 2017.
• From Joaquín Correa: "J. Correa". Soccerway. Retrieved 28 August 2021.
• From Elvedin Džinić: "Slovenia – E. Džinić". soccerway.com. Retrieved 22 November 2019.
• From Nicolò Barella: "Italy – N.Barellla – Profile with news, career statistics and history – Soccerway". soccerway.com. Retrieved 8 June 2015.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 14:29, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Last name

Is clearly spelled "Handanović" in all major Slovenian media (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7), so stop changing to "Handanovič", the only reason why Football Association of Slovenia uses this on its website is the fact that "ć" is not a letter in Slovene alhpabet and is therefore irrelevant, even on his national team shirt it was spelled "Handanović". Snowflake91 (talk) 09:06, 12 July 2022 (UTC)