Talk:San Diego metropolitan area

Great!

Not a stub and its available for the public. Good to see the page I started ade it this far thanks to many users. House1090 (talk) 01:17, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Well i've done most of the work getting it filled so i think people can start elaborating now that i got the article started. Great initiative House! SoCal L.A. (talk) 07:42, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I think what is next is Spread the new San Diego Metropolitan Area template to all the cities in the metropolitan area, I have done only the major cities w/ a population of 100k+. House1090 (talk) 21:23, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay i will get on that. SoCal L.A. (talk) 21:53, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Comments on content

The figure for area must be wrong. Also, an explanation is needed for how density is calculated. It is not reasonable to use the whole county as the area of the MSA.Fitzcantab (talk) 07:51, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

About the division of the area into "East County," "South Bay", etc. - I always thought that was just popular usage. You have indicated it's a distinction actually made by the County of San Diego, but I can't find a confirmation of that. Is that actually an official designation? --MelanieN (talk) 15:18, 17 January 2010 (UTC)MelanieN

Let me see if i can find the source i got it from. I thought the same as you until i found the site. SoCal L.A. (talk) 21:03, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Also - does Del Mar really belong in the San Diego Bay group? It doesn't touch the Bay at all. I would have put it in north county coastal. And I would have put La Mesa and Lemon Grove in East County.--MelanieN (talk) 21:47, 17 January 2010 (UTC)MelanieN

Fixed. Although i would argue about where La Mesa should go.SoCal L.A. (talk) 23:53, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

If you can find that official San Diego County list, presumably it will say which cities go where. There are some maps at the San Diego page, but they are unsourced and not always helpful in making these distinctions. Those maps do not seem to include La Mesa in East County, but where else could it go? It is 12 or more miles from the Bay. --MelanieN (talk) 05:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)MelanieN

Even mentioning San marcos and National City as "major" in San Diego is rubbish. Both are near non-entities as cities in the area compared to several others, and the article should reflect that. Comments welcome, but I will edit it in lieu of a reason otherwise. Jlodman (talk) 02:26, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

More people than Greater Boston area assertion

Looking at this recent edit [1], which asserts "The region as a whole, including Tijuana, Mexico, has more people than Greater Boston and would place the San Diego–Tijuana region within the top 10 largest US metropolitan areas." I have a couple issues with the assertion. Is there any published source from either the US Census or some other entity to back this up? Also is this material appropriate for this article, or would it be better served in the San Diego–Tijuana region article? -Optigan13 (talk) 08:41, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

That statement is misleading at best because it is comparing an expansive view of San Diego that includes Tijuana and Tijuana suburbs with the core Boston metro area. There is also an expansive view of Boston that includes Worcester, Manchester (N.H.) and Providence that would be bigger than the expansive view of San Diego. The statement should be removed. --Polaron | Talk 15:35, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Smallest Metro in Southern California

Not sure why we even needed this, but someone put "third largest in Southern California." While true, there are only three to start with. So the claim is silly and pretentious IMO. Why do we even make it? I tried changing this to "smallest" and was reverted. I have now included the count, "third largest out of three." See what happens there. I need help here to delete or at least mitigate a nonsensical and unnecessary claim. It isn't needed and doesn't appear helpful to understanding the article. Student7 (talk) 16:31, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Just noted that both this edit and the one below, made by possible vandal/3RR-er. Has been reprimanded by another editor. Student7 (talk) 16:39, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Well actually there is, in order from largest to smallest (i think, lol), the Los Angeles MSA, Riverside-San Bernardino MSA, San Diego MSA, Oxnard-Thousand Oaks MSA, and the El Centro MSA. So that puts the list at five ;). SoCal L.A. (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Yea, and if San Luis Obispo is included, that makes 6. House1090 (talk) 03:30, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, the Southern California article just was "amended."  :) So it's all in the wording. If "major", then last, if minor then, three out of whatever. It's okay to be there just so long as we aren't trying to "make" something of the claim. Three out of five, whatever. But where in the list shoul be mentioned. Student7 (talk) 13:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Yep :). I understand what your saying though Student. It does dwarf the two smaller ones and is the third major one as you said. SoCal L.A. (talk) 02:33, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Shared border with Tijuana

Not sure why lumping the San Diego metro with the Tijuana area is necessary here. They have their own article anyway, and is not WP:TOPIC to this article. There is a international border there. Questions are asked in order to get through it. Not exactly a "sister" community. Student7 (talk) 16:36, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Pretty important to me. It would seem that this is a matter of opinion and there is a lot of travel between the city i believe that has to do with jobs and such. Plus not many pages link to the article and since San Diego is one of the anchor cities and metropolitan areas, well no harm done. However that is simply my opinion. SoCal L.A. (talk) 23:25, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Student7, no need to be mentioning it here when San Diego-Tijuana has its own article. House1090 (talk) 03:28, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Once we jump the border, we would need to lump in Mexico City which dwarfs anything in the US. This seems well beyond the scope of this article. Student7 (talk) 13:19, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Just because something has it's own article doesn't mean you have to have no note of it in the article, or in this case a paragraph. It's important to have, however your right, there not exactly sister cities. Again, no harm done.

Haha your right, if the U.S. absorbed Mexico, New York City would lose it's place as first to Mexico City. However not by much. I don't think at least lol. SoCal L.A. (talk) 02:35, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

? Merge ?

• Strongly Oppose merge — Much of Eastern [[San Diego County is not within the developed San Diego metropolitan area, such as in the upper Cleveland National Forest—Laguna Mountains areas, and over them into Anza-Borrego Desert State Park and its surrounding Colorado Desert and Santa Rosa Mountains regions. This is a fine and needed article, distinct from the whole county.—Look2See1 t a l k →

  The problem with that is that the metropolitan area is defined as all of the county. It doesn't necessarily make common sense, but that's the definition. That's why there's a proposal to merge - the county and the metro area occupy exactly the same area. Dohn joe (talk) 05:09, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Please see Talk:San_Diego_County,_California#Merge_redux for a discussion related to this article. Dohn joe (talk) 19:17, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

 Done Merge done. Please review to see that I didn't leave anything important out, or duplicated anything on the other page. Dohn joe (talk) 21:53, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Impact of Cruise Industry

The article includes the sentences, "The region is host to the second largest cruise ship industry in California which generates an estimated $2 million annually from purchases of food, fuel, supplies, and maintenance services.[26] In 2008 the Port of San Diego hosted 252 ship calls and more than 800,000 passengers.[27]"

$2 million seems really low to me for 252 ship calls and 800,000 passengers - is it supposed to be $2 _billion_? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.216.150.36 (talk) 11:45, 23 September 2012 (UTC)