Talk:San Francisco Bay University

I reverted the diploma mill comment. The article cited was about completely different institutions, and merely noted that this accredited university was mentioned -- not that it, itself, is a diploma mill. aaronrp (talk) 05:12, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Controversy with Indian student deporations

In this article it's mentioned that students who planned to study here from India were deported (or prevented from boarding their flight) - http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/they-went-to-us-with-college-dreams-returned-after-3-days-in-jail-1257393

HYDERABAD: Fourteen Indian students who travelled to the US last week chasing college dreams have been deported allegedly after being detained and questioned for 14-15 hours allegedly by the FBI in San Francisco. Another set of students who arrived today in Delhi said they were kept in a cell for three days before being deported.

A third set of students, 19 of them, were stopped by Air India from taking a flight from Hyderabad to San Francisco even though they had visas. Air India says these students were stopped so that they could avoid the humiliation of being deported because Air India's counterpart in the US had advised them to stop students coming to join blacklisted universities in the US.

What is common between these three groups is that they were heading to the Silicon Valley University at San Jose and North Western Polytechnic College, Fremont, both in California; these universities have been blacklisted by the US, according to information provided to Air India by the US Customs and Border protection agency.

204.27.197.5 (talk) 19:41, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

U.S. government officials have confirmed that Northwestern Polytechnic University is NOT blacklisted. The denial of entry for students on F-1 visas was "based on the assessment made by the US immigration authorities of individual applicants." "According to the US Government, the deported persons had presented information to the border patrol agent which was inconsistent with their visa status." The denials by immigration is not limited to student, but to all foreign travelers. "Some Indian nationals travelling on business/tourism/work visas have also been deported."

http://www.mea.gov.in/press-releases.htm?dtl/26250/Advisory_for_Indian_Nationals_travelling_to_the_United_States_of_America_December_30_2015

These false allegations and the continued dissemination of these false allegations are unfairly detrimental to the students and alumni of NPU in their careers and futures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Npuniversity (talk • contribs) 19:33, 14 January 2016‎ (UTC)

I have removed any mention of NPU being "blacklisted", as this may be perceived as inflammatory. I'd like to point out that this was stated by some sources, but that's an argument for a later date. The other facts appearing in the article as of now, are irrefutable. Each statement is duly referenced. It seems that a biased account, who has only made changes to this page, is attempting to remove these facts from a wiki article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by You jitsu (talk • contribs) 21:16, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

And because of the continued removal of the sourced material—and the sources mention NPU by name—I've applied a NPOV tag. Next stop would be a neutrality noticeboard. (Alternatively, since the accounts making the edits are single-purpose, the conflict of interest noticeboard might be a venue for discussion as well.) —C.Fred (talk) 02:32, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

I'd like to second the NPOV tag and the neutrality notice. The reversions to the prior versions have been carried out by anaonymous IP addresses and 2 accounts who have only edited this article, including one named "NPuniversity". Additionally, there are 2 issues that I'd like to highlight:

A. Unduly high level of Detail in the prior version: For instance, the exact addresses of each and every one of the buildings on the campus is not required in a Wiki article. People are free to use Google/Apple maps to find these buildings. As a sharp contrast, Stanford University, one of the premier institutions in the world, is located a few miles from NPU. However, the locations of the buildings in the Stanford campus is not listed in the Stanford Wiki pages. The prior versions of the article, circa November 2015, read like an Ad Brochure for NPU.

B. The Controversy with the deportation of international students: First of all, this is an important occurance. As has been cited, over 200 students enrolled in NPU and SVU were deported inside a month. All facts appearing in the article as of now, are irrefutable. Each statement is duly referenced.

Undue Detail and Bias

I'd like to point out that the page for this university had unnecessary details. For instance, the exact addresses of each and every one of the buildings on the campus is not required in a Wiki article. People are free to use Google/Apple maps to find these buildings. As a sharp contrast, Stanford University, one of the premier institutions in the world, is located a few miles from NPU. However, the locations of the buildings in the Stanford campus is not listed in the Stanford Wiki pages.

Secondly, qualifiers like "situated in a high-technology business area in Fremont, in the midst of numerous corporations...." is totally unbecoming of a Wikipedia article. What does "high-technology" even mean? Frankly, this article reads like it had been written by someone who was not an unbiased party.

Finally, the only reference cited to support all the claims in the article is a link that does not function. — Preceding unsigned comment added by You jitsu (talk • contribs) 02:33, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Air India the apparent cause of seeming false rumors

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-university-blames-air-india-students-for-visa-mess-1262782

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/us-university-blames-air-india-deported-students-for-visa-mess/story-P4856tKzR7WA5VrzjslXlN.html

Sanfrancisco29 (talk) 06:28, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

ACICS Accreditation

ACICS does NOT accredit PhD or Doctoral Programs. This is NOT a doctoral university according to the Carnegie classification. The school only offers a few degrees in the area of Computer science & engg, Business and Electrical engg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abesam (talk • contribs) 11:09, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

On Sept. 22, 2016, the US Department of Education terminated the "recognition of ACICS as a national recognized accrediting agency." However, ACICS has 30 days to appeal, and is still a recognized accreditation agency during that process, which means that this institution is still accredited. jfeise (talk) 21:14, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

This school is an accredited University concentrating on IT Industry. And many alumni(from BA to Doctorate) has good contribution to Silicon Valley. However, it has too many competitors since NPU starts to increase the students from India in 2013-2016. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.137.62.128 (talk) 06:52, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

The school was accredited by ACICS. Since Dec. 12, 2016, however, ACICS is no longer a recognized accreditation agency, which makes this school, and all others accredited by ACICS, unaccredited. Competition and alumni are irrelevant for that. Also, the scope of ACICS' accreditation did not include a doctorate. jfeise (talk) 13:21, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

"ACICS is no longer a recognized accreditation agency, which makes this school, and all others accredited by ACICS, unaccredited" is an UNTRUE statement. If it is true, please provide proof. The fact is that ACICS is allowed to continue business and is continuing business as an accreditor. ACICS is still recognized by the Council of Higher Education Accreditors. (see http://www.chea.org/4DCGI/cms/review.html?Action=CMS_Document&DocID=199&MenuKey=main). However, ACICS is no longer recognized by the U.S. Department of Education as of December 12, 2017. The significance of this loss of recognition is mainly the loss of government benefits such as Title IV funding. An accreditor can nevertheless continue accrediting institutions. It appears that ACICS is continuing to do so for at the very least until their court case against the Department of Education is finalized. Roger Williams (President of ACICS) explains the situation in more detail in a letter on the ACICS website (see http://acics.org/accreditation/content.aspx?id=6930). In the meantime, ACICS still accredits NPU (see http://personify.acics.org/Default.aspx?TabId=204). So stating "NPU is accredited by ACICS..." is a true statement, while stating "NPU was accredited..." is a false statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.79.115.162 (talk) 22:22, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

An institution that is not accredited by an accreditor recognized by the US DoE is unaccredited. The institution may have "accreditation" by an unrecognized accreditor, but that does not make the institution accredited. Since ACICS is no longer a recognized accreditor, any institution accredited by ACICS is considered unaccredited. This is in essence not different than "accreditation" by, say, (the fictitious) Paul's Accreditation Agency. Also, you are posting from an IP address assigned to NPU, so it seems that you have a conflict of interest. Please familiarize yourself with WP:COI. Thank you. jfeise (talk) 22:37, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Your statement does not make sense. "..but that does not make the institution accredited." Sure it does. It is accredited by ACICS, but ACICS is not recognized by the U.S. Department of Education, but is recognized by CHEA. If it does not, please provide authority of your statement.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.79.115.162 (talk • contribs) 2252 (UTC)

I agree completely with Jfeise. The article is now protected so the IP now cannot edit it. As this IP belongs to the school, the user behind it should not edit the article at all, ever. Instead best practice is to propose edits on this talk page with proper sources and uninvolved editors will decide whether the edit should be included. I cannot emphasize this enough: This is not the school's "page" on Wikipedia - It is an independent article about the school based on what has been written about the school in reliable independent sources. The school has virtually no say on this article's content. Wikipedia is not part of the school's social media presence. Any questions? John from Idegon (talk) 22:56, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

It does not matter what you agree with. This issue is what is truth. I have provided a number of reliable independent sources as you requested. However, it appears that for some reason neither you nor Jfeise has to follow these rules and instead continue to comment without any authority. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.79.115.162 (talk) 23:04, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

This page continues to be vandalized. Let's make some points clear. The California Bureau for Private Postsecondary Education (BPPE) approves institutions to operate legally as businesses in the state. BPPE does NOT accredit institutions. Accrediting agencies are listed on the Department of Education's web page, and BPPE is not on there. In summary, approval by California's BPPE and accreditation by ACICS or another accreditor are NOT the same thing. During the 18-month transition period when an institution does not have a federally recognized accreditor, it is NOT fully accredited. It is, at best, provisionally accredited by the Department of Education, or simply unaccredited. Bcf1291 (talk) 21:56, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcf1291 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 10 May 2018 (UTC) "A national accreditor at the center of the collapse of two for-profit college chains got another lease on life after a court ruling kicked back to the Department of Education a 2016 decision withdrawing federal recognition and, later, the Trump administration restored that recognition pending further review."

"The court ruling and decision from DeVos are basically a reprieve for colleges still recognized by the accreditor..."

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/04/13/even-second-chance-federal-recognition-profit-accreditor-has-unclear-outlook

This does NOT mean ACICS will be reinstated by the DOE and accredit NPU! Bcf1291 (talk) 23:02, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

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