Talk:Sandra Dee

Year of birth

How could she have been married at 16 in 1960 when she was born in 1942?

There is some disagreement about her birth date. Please do not change it based on evidence in non-authoritative sources such as IMDB; at this point, even reporters are *citing* wikipedia for her birthday (no joke). I'm highlighting the controversy again. -- Metahacker 23:15, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

The mismatch in Sandra's date of birth and age at marriage may in part be her mother's fault. Her mom used to lie about Sandra's age, putting her into the second grade at four years of age, and claiming that Sandra was six. Throughout her film career, Sandra's age was also fudged, so many articles during that time printed an incorrect date of birth, and thus, and incorrect age by two years.

According to TCM in their introduction to Gidget, her studio bio said she was born in 1942, making her 17 and therefor the same age as her character in the movie. In a biography later published by her son, her birth year was given as 1944. The son is probably the closest we have to an authoritative source, but I don't know where to find a citation.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.238.245 (talk) 06:02, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

The book Dream Lovers by her son Dodd Darin says she was born April 23, 1944. When she was a child model and actress her mother inflated her age by two years to get her more work. She was also only 16 when she married the much older Bobby Darin so they kept the fiction going then too. Dodd Darin said in the book that the two-year discrepancy has become like a fact because everyone thinks it's true, and that's why supposedly "verifiable" sources say she was born in 1942 when she was really born in 1944. I would consider Dream Lovers to be a reliable source for this controversy. It's all in Chapter 2 of that book if anyone wants to add it as a true source for her date of birth. --DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 13:00, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I just added to the birth year discussion in the article with a reference to Dodd Darin's book, but not as the prime authority on the matter. --DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 14:25, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, Doomsdayer520, but her son doesn't know everything. Did he provide a copy of her birth certificate? To lay the last nail in the coffin of 1944 as her year of birth I will add that I checked ancestry.com and found that:

The gravestone at Find-a-Grave lists 1942 (there are 2 Find-a-Grave profiles for Dee/Zuck, but the one with the gravestone is the accurate one; the other is fluff). It would seem her son, in fact, must have ordered the gravestone (she had no other surviving immediate relatives), and the stone clearly shows "1942", NOT "1944".

California Divorce records between Sandra Douvan (her stepfather's surname) and Bobby D Cassotto (Bobby Darin's real name) gives 1942 as her year of birth.

Social Security Death Index lists 1942:
^{Name:Sandra Dee
Last Residence: 91324
Northridge, Los Angeles, California
Born: 23 Apr 1942
Died: 20 Feb 2005
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (1954-1955)
Source Citation: Issue State: New York; Issue Date: 1954-1955.
Source Information: Ancestry.com. U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-Current [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2011.
Original data: Social Security Administration. Social Security Death Index, Master File. Social Security Administration. Quis separabit? 21:55, 16 October 2013 (UTC)}

Again, when her son provides a valid copy of Dee's birth certificate then we can put this to rest. Quis separabit? 18:46, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

And where is your source that her son doesn't know what he's talking about? I'm by no means a partisan on this issue, but all I did was add some commentary about where the birth year confusion came from, and also said that I don't think the son is the "prime authority" on the matter. What you dug up looks reasonably convincing. Regardless, if her son thinks that certain documents were faked, it's conceivable that all these other documents merely copied previous information that was inaccurate, are are themselves inaccurate as a result. If her son is truly serious, that birth year coffin can't be nailed shut so easily, and other people's confusion is worth discussing. --DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 19:51, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I agree. I also would like to know definitively. But only her son has or can obtain her birth certificate. It's pretty easy. All he has to do is contact the New Jersey (Dee was born in Bayonne, New Jersey) Vital Records or whatever they call it, in Trenton, and request a copy. I can't do it for him. Quis separabit? 20:49, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I think the cryptstone her family (read "her son") paid for kinda settles it (in addition to the other evidence). MurrayGreshler (talk) 03:30, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Sandra Dee's appearance on the screen

You can't tell by the little photo that Dee is diminutive of height, or the color and appearance of her eyes on the big screen. How these are opinions, or somehow insulting,

is too silly for words. But I give up. Professor Von Pie 10:05, 07 January 2009 (UTC)

There is no problem in describing a person's appearance as it relates to their career but the tone was wrong. "Dee was petite, with a pert nose, moist coal-black eyes, creamy complexion, and topped by golden hair." If it had been part of a - for example - quote from a critic it would have carried more weight. As it is, it reads as you looking at Sandra Dee and giving your impressions of her. Then placing it into Wikipedia as a fact, rather than an opinion conveys the impression that Wikipedia is describing her as such. It is an opinion and it's an interpretation. It's not necessarily wrong, just inappropriate. It is not "insulting" - I don't know where you get that from. I'm only trying to ensure that where possible, we comply with Wikipedia's policies such as WP:NPOV, WP:OR, WP:V and as much as possible present something more professional and authoritative than the average fan magazine or fan-created web blog. I'm sorry if you are offended by this and that you think it "silly". Show me a featured article that uses a phrase like "moist coal-black eyes" and I'll be very surprised. You could also try to keep some of the sarcasm out of your edit summaries such as "what do you do, live here" I'll edit here as frequently or as infrequently as I choose, and I'll decide where. If you feel compelled to comment, please restrict yourself to comments about my edits. I'm not at all interested in what you think of me other than that. Rossrs (talk) 06:31, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Illness and Death- Survivors

Sandra Dee lives on in her son Dodd, her daughter-in-law and two granddaughters, Alexa and Olivia.

The words "lives on in" should be replaced with the words "is survived by". The phraseology "lives on" may be objectionable to some readers. Innerjuju (talk) 20:49, 26 August 2009 (UTC) innerjuju

Yes, you're right, and I've changed it. You're welcome to change things like this and you don't have to get agreement on a talk page like this. Welcome to Wikipedia. Hope you enjoy editing here. Rossrs (talk) 20:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Warren Beatty/"Kaleidescope"???

Saw the tail end of the movie "Kaleidoscope" and Ben Mankiewicz stated that the film's star, Warren Beatty, made so many passes at Dee so early on in rehearsal that Dee not only refused to work with Beatty, but she successfully exercised an option in her contract to be paid her full $150,000 fee without a foot of film with her being shot. Anyone know if the story is true???User:JCHeverly 02:22, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Hard to imagine any straight woman being turned off by Beatty in his prime, but anything is possible. Quis separabit? 17:39, 6 December 2013

• That's a bit harsh. Dee was a victim of child molestation and she suffered from emotional/psychological problems throught her life.User:JCHeverly 01:04, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't meaning to be harsh. I was just saying that Beatty was really hot back then, but callow and selfish also, so it's best she stayed away. In re the molestation -- that should be added to the article if it hasn't been yet provided there is a reliable source. Yours, Quis separabit? 17:37, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

• Dude, the article already states "she was sexually abused by her stepfather . . . " That's why I made my comment . . . dude.

You forgot to sign your comment.

I was occupied with something else at that moment and wasn't going to be able to check the molestation issue right then and there, hence the wording. Yours dude, Quis separabit? 00:05, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Dorothy McGuire Hyperlink Broken?

Is there some reason that Dorothy McGuire's name does not appear as a hyperlink in the Stardom section, third paragraph? I would do it myself, but I am sensitive about editing other people's work.Mdarrenbailey (talk) 16:59, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Done. DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 22:10, 18 January 2018 (UTC)