Talk:Sarah Wentworth

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Lightburst talk 18:50, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Sarah Cox brought the first breach of promise suit in Australia, during which she was represented by her future husband William Wentworth? Source: "It was Wentworth’s prominence as a barrister that brought the nineteen year-old Sarah Cox into his life. Sharing her future husband’s determined nature, Cox employed Wentworth as her lawyer in her 1825 ‘breach of promise’ lawsuit against a Captain John Payne, who had retracted his proposal of marriage." https://www.portrait.gov.au/magazines/50/the-wentworths-hidden-in-plain-sight/
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Created by Willthorpe (talk). Self-nominated at 14:55, 20 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sarah Wentworth; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Reviewing DrThneed (talk) 22:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

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• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - n

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: The Portrait magazine reference is an article with an author and date, so you can add these to the citation. Earwig score of 56% is mainly based on the quote, but also shows the sentence prior to the quote should be paraphrased, and there are a couple of other phrases worth rewriting to be less similar to that source. It looks like this might be your third DYK nomination, is that correct? If so, you don't need to do a QPQ, but please confirm. And not related to DYK, but I was surprised to see (in the 'What links here' on the left hand menu) that this article has links to it from two World Games articles for medal winners...you might want to fix those links, as they're definitely not this Sarah Wentworth! DrThneed (talk) 22:42, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@DrThneed: Thanks for the feedback! It is, yes, I seem to recall making one ages ago that was rejected, and I made another that was successful. Cheers, thorpewilliam (talk) 05:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

I have to ask what quote you are referring to. Is it the one in the nomination itself? That's directly from the source, not the Wikipedia article. thorpewilliam (talk) 05:49, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Re copyvio, I'm sorry, I can see that was rather a confusing way for me to describe what I was referring to! Let me be more specific. I'm using the Earwig tool to highlight similar phrases in the article and the sources (see here). Whilst the high score for the Portrait article is mostly around the quote from Grace Carroll, there are a couple of sentences before it that ought to be changed. "A descendant of convicts, her parents had completed their sentences by the time of her birth" is a bit similar to the source's "The Australian-born daughter of convicts, her parents had completed their sentences at the time of her birth". And "Sarah Wentworth's Biographer Carol Liston noted that her role in managing the Wentworth family home, overseeing the kitchen garden and supporting Wentworth was fundamental to his and their children's success" isn't a direct quote so ought to be more different to the source's "Sarah Wentworth’s biographer Carol Liston has observed that her role in managing the family home, overseeing the kitchen garden, and supporting Wentworth was fundamental to his professional success, and that of their children." (and you'll want a lowercase b for biographer). Otherwise all good! DrThneed (talk) 06:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

DrThneed Amended! thorpewilliam (talk) 11:48, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Have changed the status accordingly. Cheers. DrThneed (talk) 20:29, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Length of article

Sarah is an interesing person in Australian History. Nevetheless, I think that the articles on her and her husband Wentworth are too long. Indeed, including references etc., a comparison of the vertical columns on the extreme right of the articles on Hitler, Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin shows that the articles on each of them was shorter than the article on Wentworth. I doubt that Wentworth was more impotant than any of the former.

I am therefore proposing to shorten the articles on both Sarah and Wentworth.Trahelliven (talk) 23:43, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

@Trahelliven I am perhaps biased for having written it, but I believe the article is of a suitable length for readability and conveying information. Cheers, Will Thorpe (talk) 01:13, 31 January 2024 (UTC)