Talk:Sardines movement

Name and capitalization

@Nick.mon: Appreciate your work on this page. However I would say that the title should be "sardines movement" (i.e. with lowercase initials) and not "Sardines Movement", because that's the not the official name that they gave to themselves, and one shouls use the sentence case for the title (see MOS:LOWERCASE and WP:NCCAPS). I think even more appropriately it should be "sardines" movement, since English-language sources always put the word "sardines" inside quotation marks, however I don't think this would comply with WP standards (see MOS:LOWERCASE again). Would it be ok if for now I moved the page to "Sardines movement"? --Ritchie92 (talk) 11:28, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! I agree about using lowercase initial for "movement", but not for "sardines", in fact it's often referred to as "Sardines movement", not "sardines movement" (1 2) and, even if I'm not an expert of Wikipedia's standard, I quite dislike article's title with lowercase initial. Regarding quotation marks, I'm a bit doubtful... Yes, this isn't an official name, and it's often referred to as 'Sardines' but, also the "Yellow vests movement" isn't the official name of that protests and it's without quotation marks, even if it was sometimes referred to as 'Yellow vests' (1 2) -- Nick.mon (talk) 12:59, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

I also see "Sardine movement" about equally often as "Sardines movement". Not sure which form should be preferred in English.

Regarding date format, in the English WP we often use the international numerical date format (ymd) per ISO 8601 in citations, while using either the dmy or mdy non-numerical format in the text. I am a proponent of the former as it is easier to transfer internationally and IMHO also looks nicer/cleaner in citations. Ritchie appears to prefer the non-numerical dmy format also in citations.[1] Since Nick has been the first major contributor to citations, it is up for him to decide per WP:CITEVAR/WP:DATEVAR. Nick, if you want the citations to use the international format all you would have to do is to reenter the cs1-dates=y parameter to the {{Use dmy dates}} template. This will auto-convert the date format in all citations, while leaving the dmy format in the body of the article. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 13:52, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

@Matthiaspaul: I think the rules in WP:DATEVAR apply, and since there are obviously "strong national ties to the topic" since it specifically concerns Italian politics, we should use the Italian (European) date format that is DMY. --Ritchie92 (talk) 14:24, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

I see WP:DATEVAR applying as well, and dmy is for sure the proper format to be used in the text body. However, text body and references are independent of each other, that is, even when consistently using dmy in the text, it is okay to consistently use ymd in the references.

In most European countries, EN 28601 has been adopted decades ago. F.e. in Germany the usage of the ymd format is mandantory as all-numerical format in many areas since 1995-05-01 (per DIN EN 28601), whereas dmy is still used in normal text. The situation is similar in Italy (with UNI EN 28601), but I don't know to which level this is enforced there. Anyway, it's up for Nick to decide.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 21:51, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

• Official name of the movement is "6000 sardine". --Holapaco77 (talk) 20:29, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Matteo Salvini’s image

I think Matteo Salvini's image is misleading. CoolJazz5 (talk) 11:15, 27 July 2023 (UTC)