Talk:Sarus crane

Removed

Removed this cryptic bit

and the natives of astrillia were aware that they were two different types of birds referring to the sarus as the brogla who dipped its head in blood.

Shyamal 12:02, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Turns out that this bit may actually be correct, have added a related piece with citation. Shyamal (talk) 04:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

I'm undoing this obvious vandalism:

On average the balsa wood is larger than the female's throw up; Indian balsa woods can attain a maximum height of approximately 200 cm (6.6 ft), with a wingspan of 250 cm (8.5 ft), making them the world's tallest living flying bird. DrHenley (talk) 23:41, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Image

While looking for a good historic painting - esp Mughal miniature - came across this: http://www.archive.org/stream/lordlilfordonbir00lilfrich#page/n86/mode/1up/search/sarus has an image of a supposed Sarus in the menagerie of Lord Lilford that looks more like a Siberian Crane ! Shyamal (talk) 05:03, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sarus Crane/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sasata (talk) 17:23, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello, I've signed up to review this article. Hope to have an initial set of comments up in a day or two. Sasata (talk) 17:23, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I been reading leisurely and making some small copyediting changes as I go along; feel free to revert any changes where I've changed the meaning (or if you just don't like them). I think the article is very good already, and only have a few comments so far:

• suggest winking wetland, pair-bond, breeding season in lead
• "Like other cranes, they form long-lasting pair-bonds and maintain territories within which they often display with loud trumpeting and leaping." I did not understand this sentence as written, until I remembered that "display" had an alternate meaning in the bird world. Perhaps it could be tweaked for better flow?

Any better now ?

• "The main breeding season is during the rains," what is "the rains"?

Ah, there are distinct rainy seasons in the tropics! Changed to "rainy season" since Monsoon is a term that may not apply for other regions.

*"This species was described by Linnaeus under the genus Ardea along with the larger herons." What year? Source?

Dates added

What I'm think of specifically would be a citation to the actual protologue. As far as I'm aware, most of Linnaeus' stuff is available on Google Books, and so the article could have a direct link to the original description of the protologue. Not really necessary, but it would connect the modern-day Wikipedia article to the species' original history, and it would be cool. Sasata (talk) 08:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Have added a link to the 13th edition (1788) of Systema Naturae. Shyamal (talk) 10:50, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

*"Edward Blyth believed that there were actually two "Sarus Crane" species in India, Grus collaris and Grus antigone." When did he express this belief?

Dates added

*"…predators of young birds include the dingo (Canis dingo) and fox (Vulpes vulvas)" is the Red Fox the only fox predator, or do other foxes predate as well?

Possible, but these are the only ones that are mentioned in the cited sources.

*"Among the Gonds, the tribes classified as "five-god worshippers" consider the Sarus Crane as sacred.[4] The meat of the Sarus was taboo." Can we change Gonds to Gondi people? Wondering about the verb tense change … do the tribes still consider the bird sacred? Is eating the meat still taboo (i.e. should it be "was" or "is")?

Changed link and made the tense past with a specification of the source that is old.

*"Although venerated and protected by Indians, these birds were hunted during the colonial period." Is there a link or timeframe for colonial period?

India became independent in 1947 so pre-1947 is colonial and the "official" beginning is about 1857. Not sure if this is important here.

• I'll read the article again and check the sources in a day or two. Sasata (talk) 20:31, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks for reviewing this from a fresh perspective. Shyamal (talk) 02:22, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

(a couple more) *"The Sarus Crane is classified as Vulnerable (A2cde + 3cde) on the IUCN Red List." I'm not sure what the letter/number code means, and think not many readers would either. Are they necessary? Any chance of a citation to the IUCN for this statement?

The reference is added, was already in the taxobox. The status codes can be removed without any loss of information. They refer to the criteria such as population, area and decline that are used to determine the class of risk.

*"Inbreeding effects in the Australian population may need to be studied." Why?

Added a link to inbreeding. Inbreeding is a conservation risk, as a population of genetically similar individuals could for instance all be wiped out by a virus strain whereas a diverse population may have some resistant individuals. Does this need expansion ? The source does not explicitly say all this but the inbreeding article does cover this.

It's good now, the link help to give sufficient context for the statement. Sasata (talk)

*range map needs a caption

Caption added.

*any chance of a more RS for the Saras Light Transport Aircraft statement? If not, maybe at least a proper web cite template?

Added a newspaper cite and a second one to back it up partly. Shyamal (talk) 10:50, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I think we're almost there. I'll put the article on hold. Sasata (talk) 08:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Very good - thanks for your interesting contribution to Wikipedia! In my opinion, the article meets or exceeds all criteria for GA status. Sasata (talk) 15:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   Well written, complies with MoS.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c(OR):

   Article has appropriate citations, and nearly all are to reliable sources. Random spot check of several sources turned up nothing amiss. Request one citation (dubious RS?) be swapped if possible, and perhaps citation & link to protologue.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Coverage comparable to other bird GAs or FAs.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   All images have appropriate free-use licenses. Range map requires caption.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Wing span

There is an edit move from 250 cm to 280 cm which seems to be uncited - ICF gives ~240 http://www.savingcranes.org/sarus-crane.html most sources stop at 250. Is there any WP:RS for 280 ? Shyamal (talk) 16:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

HBW gives a range of 220-280 cm. Sabine's Sunbird talk 22:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, could you make the additional upper limit with the citation please. Shyamal (talk) 02:02, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Taxonomic Revision

Now considered in genus Antigone per BirdLife and IUCN. Probably Wikipedia should follow? http://www.birdlife.org/datazone/speciesfactsheet.php?id=2787 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.250.0.213 (talk) 06:19, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

A note on page views

I believe the views of this article increase distinctly during its nesting season. Gentle rising and dropping curves in traffic show genuine biological connections unlike spikes falling off (internet links on reddit etc) and a rising cliff (homework pattern - where there is no interest after a deadline). - would be nice if such graphs for annual cyclicity could be generated more easily - @MusikAnimal: Shyamal (talk) 05:57, 25 February 2022 (UTC)