Talk:Satin berrypecker

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Narutolovehinata5 talk 22:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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Adult male satin berrypecker

• ... that the satin berrypecker (male pictured) is the only bird endemic to the Bird's Neck?

• Source: Kirwan, Guy M. (2021-08-18). Billerman, Shawn M.; Keeney, Brooke K.; Rodewald, Paul G.; Schulenberg, Thomas S. (eds.). "Satin Berrypecker (Melanocharis citreola)". Birds of the World. Cornell Lab of Ornithology. doi:10.2173/bow.satber1.01.

• ALT1: ... that although specimens of the satin berrypecker (male pictured) were first collected in 2014, the species may have been observed as early as 1983? Source: Kirwan, Guy M. (2021-08-18). Billerman, Shawn M.; Keeney, Brooke K.; Rodewald, Paul G.; Schulenberg, Thomas S. (eds.). "Satin Berrypecker (Melanocharis citreola)". Birds of the World. Cornell Lab of Ornithology. doi:10.2173/bow.satber1.01.
• ALT2: ... that the satin berrypecker (male pictured) is only the second species of bird to be described from New Guinea in the last 80 years? Source: Kirwan, Guy M. (2021-08-18). Billerman, Shawn M.; Keeney, Brooke K.; Rodewald, Paul G.; Schulenberg, Thomas S. (eds.). "Satin Berrypecker (Melanocharis citreola)". Birds of the World. Cornell Lab of Ornithology. doi:10.2173/bow.satber1.01.
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5x expanded by AryKun (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 32 past nominations.

AryKun (talk) 13:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC).

• Starting Review--Kevmin § 17:05, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Apologies for the delay in commenting here. Article is new enough and long enough. The sources are neutral and policy compliant for WP:TOL/WP:Brids articles. The article is also neutral and well written with no indications of any Copyvio/close paraphrasing issues identified. My first question is regarding the article and sources use of "endemic", am I correct in interpreting the usage to mean its assumed by the authors that the species is "restricted" in range to just the Mountains of the birds neck and not present beyond that?--Kevmin § 19:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

• Yes. AryKun (talk) 04:04, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

• Thats what I was thinking would be the case. The article needs to have more explanation of what it means then, as read now its easy to come to the conclusion that the source states Melanocharis citreola to be the only bird found on the neck it total, rather then Melanocharis citreola being the first known bird with a range restricted to the neck.--Kevmin § 18:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC).

• I don't see how anyone would come to that conclusion; the article clearly states that it's the only bird endemic to the Bird's Neck and anyone who doesn't know what endemism is can just go to the article on endemism. Also, some part of New Guinea having exactly one species of bird is such a patetly absurd conclusion I don't see why anyone would consider it. AryKun (talk) 13:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

• While you and I may feel its absurd, Most people do not have the underlying background in biology to make the connections that you have. I can absolutely say that someone without understanding of endemism can and will likely make that mistake.--Kevmin § 16:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

• The article just says "It is the only bird known to be endemic to Bird’s Neck in Western New Guinea". Anyone who doesn't know what endemism is can just click on the link to find out. We can't explain every single concept that people might be unfamiliar with in the article, it's why we have wikilinks. AryKun (talk) 07:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

• Linking guidelines also actively encourage short explanations of wp:jargon in articles rather then just relying on links and this is a general encyclopedia. Problem area in article tagged as needing clarification.--Kevmin § 18:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

• I'm so tired of these giant threads on every DYK nom, this entire area of WP is a bunch of killjoys looking for asinine problems atp. AryKun (talk) 18:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Satin berrypecker/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: AryKun (talk · contribs) 09:32, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Jens Lallensack (talk · contribs) 20:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Reviewing now. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 20:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

• The satin berrypecker (Melanocharis citreola) is a species of passerine bird in the family Melanocharitidae. The species was described in 2021 by the Spanish ornithologist Borja Milá and her colleagues. – I feel the first two sentences are a bit too technical. In the first sentence, instead of "in the family Melanocharitidae", it would be more helpful for the general reader to state where it is found. Also, when mentioning Melanocharitidae, I also would give the common name of that family. The second sentence could come a bit later, too.

• rump, vent, retrices, crown etc. all need wikilinks (e.g., to the birdgloss).

• The satin berrypecker has not yet been assigned a conservation status – the taxonbox says "least concern".

• but tentatively assigned to the similar mid-mountain berrypecker – if this is a separate species, link?

• mist-netted – explain/link?

• Add distribution map? Fig 2 in the first description has one, could just be cropped. Alternatively, you could use fig. 1 outside the taxonbox, as it illustrates the geography of the mountain range and names such as "bird neck" that are used in the article, it would be very helpful.

• Cladogram would be great (ideally simplified and wikified).

• late Miocene – "Late Miocene"?

• link "clades", "malar line", "primaries", "secondaries", "vane", "gape", "rictal streak"

• The throat, breast, belly, and vent bright satiny-white with – In Wikipedia, we need full sentences without obmitting the verbs (even though the diagnosis sections in papers like to do it this way).

• As in adults, the outermost rectrix has a white patch on its outer vane, but it is washed grey internally and excludes the rachis – "it is" refers to the "outermost rectrix", but I was wondering if you want it to refer to the "white patch" instead?

• The satin berrypecker's are poorly studied – word missing ("vocalisations" maybe)?

• An adult male collected in November had enlarged testes. – This needs either more explanation or should be removed. An ornithologist might be able to use this information (i.e., estimate the timing of the breeding season), but the general reader certainly cannot, and is completley helpless with that piece of information. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:14, 5 August 2024 (UTC)