Talk:Scaevius

Requested move 13 November 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Scaevius. (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 14:05, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

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Scaevius milii → Green-striped coral bream – use common name for only species in a monospecific genus to avoid using genus name Quetzal1964 (talk) 09:44, 13 November 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Quetzal1964 (talk) 16:54, 13 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Jenks24 (talk) 09:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Polyamorph No, this is not controversial Wikipedia:Naming conventions (fauna) says "and the article (if there is no common name) should go under the scientific name of lowest rank, but no lower than the monotypic genus". Quetzal1964 (talk) 16:54, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm not denying that, my comment was purely relating to WP:RM/TR that it can't be considered as an uncontroversial technical request given the move history (Moved by Gigemag76 in 2014 from Scaevius milii to the common name. This undiscussed move was reverted by Plantdrew in 2021). Thanks for starting the move discussion here. Polyamorph (talk) 17:00, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Fishes has been notified of this discussion. UtherSRG (talk) 17:44, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - I agree with Plantdrew's revert of the previous move. If anything, it should be moved to Scaevius, and I would support that request. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:19, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

UtherSRG, I think you need to sign your oppose. Whatever the title of the article is it should not be the binomial according to WP:Naming conventions (fauna). So I would support a move to Scaevius. I have dug a little further and the common name is not clear and unambiguous. Support move to genus name. Quetzal1964 (talk) 17:59, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Whoops! Thanks... - UtherSRG (talk) 18:19, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support alt - As with Plantdrew and UtherSRG, The most commonly used term is Scaevius milii and Scaevius. and if any moved happens it should be to Scaevius, as the disambiguation there is not a 1 to 1 but based on misspelling of the Roman family name. Additionally, "common name" is explicitly defined in the opening of the preceding section of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (fauna) to be name that is most common in English, it does NOT say it must be the "vernacular name", but the most frequently used name encountered including taxonomic.--Kevmin § 18:02, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support Alt: move to Scaevius. Don't think that's even contraverial per WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA. YorkshireExpat (talk) 21:26, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: I see a consensus forming that this should move to Scaevius, but that is currently a disambiguation page. Consequently it should be moved to Scaevius (genus) instead – unless participants believe that this is the primary topic over the Roman family (inviting further comments on the latter) BegbertBiggs (talk) 22:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

How frequently are people using Scaevius to search for Scaevia gens though? As is the disambiguation page is hosting only one use of the term Scaevius and one link to a different spelling of a different term. Also of note, it was a redirect to this page up until August 2023, when @LlywelynII: changed it to the disambiguation, asserting the prior redirect to be "nonsense".--Kevmin § 02:40, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Surely the use of a hatnote on each article solves this issue.

This article is about the fish genus. For the Roman gens, see Scaevia gens.

Quetzal1964 (talk) 15:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support what @Quetzal1964: and @Kevmin: are proposing, with a side of WP:SMALLDETAILS. Oppose move to 'Scaevius (genus)'. YorkshireExpat (talk) 21:03, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose "green-striped coral bream". "Coral monocle bream" appears to be a more commonly used than "green-striped coral bream", although none of the vernacular names appear to be more commonly used than the scientific name. Per WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA, the binomial should be used if the name of a monotypic genus is ambiguous. Plantdrew (talk) 21:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.