Talk:ScanIP

Requested update to page for new software release

I would like to make the following updates to the page to reflect the release of the M-2017.06 release of ScanIP.

These are

Infobox: Stable release update - M-2017.09 - 5 June 2017

First paragraph - change 'The most recent release of Simpleware ScanIP was 2016.09, which launched in September 2016' to 'The most recent release of Simpleware ScanIP was M-2017.06, which launched in June 2017.

Add-on Modules

Remove all '+' signs from modules

Please update or confirm that I can make these changes as a connected contributor. Thanks, Jess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simpleware wiki (talk • contribs) 16:20, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Revision 785377206 by User:Codename Lisa

Hello, everyone

Revision 785377206 contains extensive changes to the article, so much so that the edit summary was insufficient. Hence, here is a summary of what I did in it:

• Reordered major sections. Previously, the article sections were ordered as "Import formats", "Export formats", "Add-on modules" and "Application areas". This clearly suboptimal to most readers. Why must they start with fancruft such as import formats, which is a list of what non-experts consider "computer gobbledygook"? I re-ordered the sections into "Application areas", "Add-on modules", "Import formats", and "Export formats".
• Dissolved the gallery section at the bottom of the article and distributed its contents across the article. One of its images went to the infobox that didn't have a screenshot at the time.
• Removed File:Product image example for Simpleware ScanIP.jpg from the article, as it is not showing anything educational or encyclopedic. It is a vague image at best. It can't even be used as the infobox icon. I will upload that myself shortly.
• MOS:CAPS and MOS:ACRONYM is extensively applied.
• MOS:LAYOUT is applied to "Application areas" and "Add-on modules" sections.
• Version number was updated.
• Plus sign from the module names was removed. (Deprecated)
• The "See also" section was deleted. It is not a "See again" section after all. Please see WP:SEEALSO.
• Licensing terms was updated

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 06:18, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Lisa - thanks for the edits. Can you please reword the introductory paragraph for ScanIP, as it is not an app but a software program, e.g. 'ScanIP represents 3D image processing and model generation software' and 'The software is used...'

The use of 'trialware' for the license is also not appropriate - can you please change this to Proprietary commercial software, the same as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaqus?

Thanks,

Jess — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simpleware wiki (talk • contribs) 11:11, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Jess

I have provided a source that proves this app is trialware.

As for changing "app" to "computer program", replacing something with another thing, when both are correct, is forbidden. ScanIP is definitely an instance of application software (for the first meaning of "app") and definitely a standalone computer program that runs on an operating system (the second meaning of "app"). So, no. I won't change anything.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 12:41, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Lisa - on the app situation, I appreciate your argument, but we need consistency with other software in the same field, for example one of our competitors Mimics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimics is described as software, not as an app - also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COMSOL_Multiphysics - describing ScanIP as an app devalues it compared to these types of software, and is arguably misleading, i.e. the software is not described as an app on the Simpleware website or in any other promotional material, and is also not available on mobile devices - it is a high-end software program, and this description would not make sense to the people that would typically be researching our software.

On the trialware issue, we do offer free trials, but the software can also be purchased without a trial - also, the trial cannot be shared or duplicated, so I am again concerned this is misleading. Again, please see the other software examples I give above, and either change the license type to Proprietary, or remove, as in the Mimics example. Thank you, Jess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simpleware wiki (talk • contribs) 14:05, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Jess

Allow me to be frank:

1. You have been using the word "software" wrongly ever since we started this discussion. Judging by how you use it, you seem to think it means "computer program". It does not. "Software", in noun capacity, is an uncountable noun that means "all computer programs, considered collectively". So, when people go to the Mimics article and read "Mimics is an [...] software", they think: an idiot must have written this article; so, it is not probably reliable. "Mimics is an [...] software" is grammatically and semantically wrong. Of course, in changing the incorrect form "software", I had many options like "computer program", "application", "software package", "software offering", etc. but most of these are long, bloated and outdated. What I chose was "app", which had gained widespread popularity in 2010. Since 2012, Microsoft Windows has started calling ScanIP and other software "desktop apps" to distinguish it from mobile apps and web apps.
2. Wikipedia and the simpleware deliberately write different things. The reason is simple: The simpleware website intends to sell and advertise, hence it uses biased sentences with poor factual accuracy, weasel words, puffery and many other forms of advertisement. Wikipedia, on the other hand, seeks to represent fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic.
3. You seem afraid that correct grammar might devalue the subject of the article! Maybe you do not know our law, but when an article about something is written on Wikipedia, it must already have accumulated immense fame and value. I have not checked, but if this article is not in this state already, may be I should report it for deletion.
4. You wrote: we need consistency with other software in the same field. This is the second most hated wrong argument in Wikipedia.

As for the matter of trialware, the www.simpleware.com/software/trial/ web page clearly and unambiguously communicates that a 14-days trial version is available for the purpose of evaluating the app. There are condition, of course: The end-user needs to register his or her personal and corporate info and a Synopsys employee would contact and appraise him or her before approving the trial. While this is not the dominant form of trialware in software industry but is not unprecedented either: Microsoft, Symantec and Autodesk have held such trials in the past.

If you are still not satisfied, I can (or you can) use WP:3O to notify a third editor to appraise this discussion.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 10:01, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Update for latest software release in December 2018

Updated Stable release to: O-2018.12 / 10 December 2018

Updated website link to: https://www.synopsys.com/simpleware/products/software/scanip.html

Changed software type to 'Commercial' from 'Trialware'

Source: https://www.synopsys.com/simpleware/news-and-events/simpleware-o-2018-12.html

Simpleware wiki (talk) 15:44, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Updates Feb 12th 2019

Updated information on 'Medical Devices' and Simpleware ScanIP Medical, with supporting press release link.

Edited some of the text of related sections to clarify information.

Replaced dated software screenshots with screenshots from the latest version of the software.

Simpleware wiki (talk) 12:57, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

September 2019 Update

Updated software details for September P-2019.09 release.

--Simpleware wiki (talk) 14:51, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

March 2020 Update

Updated software details for March 2020 Q-2020.03 release, including details on new modules Simpleware AS Ortho and Simpleware Custom Modeler. Updated the list of supported import and export formats for Simpleware ScanIP.

Simpleware wiki (talk) 15:36, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

June 2020 Update

Updated software details for June 2020 Q-2020.06 release, including new Simpleware AS Ortho and Simpleware Design Link modules. Updated the list of supported import and export formats for Simpleware ScanIP.

Simpleware wiki (talk) 13:56, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

September 2020 changes

Updated version number of the software to R-2020.09, including the new release date.

Simpleware wiki (talk) 16:33, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Reads like an ad, paid editor heavily influenced page

This could use some major cleanup by someone without a conflict of interest.

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing#ScanIP (permalink). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:01, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

March 2021 Updates

Updating latest version number and features.

--Simpleware Jessica (talk) 10:46, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

June 2021 Updates

Updating latest version number and features.

--Simpleware Jessica (talk) 11:25, 14 June 2021 (UTC)