Talk:Scarborough Historic District/GA1

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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 12:19, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:19, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

• It looks as if the 1914 map is oriented with east at the top. If so I think it would be helpful to the reader to say this in the caption.

Is there an easy/concise way of doing that? I've never seen it in an article before...--ɱ (talk · vbm) 02:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't thinking of anything fancy -- just "1914 map of all district properties or their present locations except Sparta Cemetery, with east at the top of the map" or something like that. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 03:02, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't really like that wording, but I can't think of anything better...--ɱ (talk · vbm) 05:40, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

• The first paragraph of the Profile section lists the properties by type and then again by name. I think it would be better to combine these. Perhaps something like this: "They are associated with three estates: Beechwood, Rosemont, and Woodlea (now Sleepy Hollow Country Club); The Clear View School, a school complex; two religious properties: Saint Mary's Episcopal Church and Scarborough Presbyterian Church; and Sparta Cemetery, which dates back to before the Revolutionary War."

done.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 02:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

• Is there a suitable link for "American revivial-style architecture"?

added the best one there is.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 02:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

• The last paragraph of the Profile section is uncited.

no?--ɱ (talk · vbm) 02:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

No idea why I thought that was uncited. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 03:02, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

• In the Beechwood section I think you can cut "notably" and "known as". If you can give the dates that the Vanderlip family owned the mansion that would be helpful; or at least the date Frank Vanderlip acquired it.

It was owned by many others; Vanderbilt is the notable owner associated with the house. Similarly, Lyndhurst is always associated with Jay Gould, even though many others owned it at different times.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 02:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

You're right, something has to be retained to indicate that. How about "Beechwood is an estate built in the late 1700s; it was most notably the home of Frank A. Vanderlip and his family."? And for the filming location I still think you could make it "Beechwood was a filming location of the 1970 film House of Dark Shadows", though if you feel that's not an improvement that's fine. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 03:02, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

OK.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 05:40, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

• Robertson is mentioned in the Beechwood section with no first name and no explanation.

Wow, forgot that. I pasted it over from the Beechwood article; shouldn't have happened...--ɱ (talk · vbm) 02:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

• In the Clear View School section, the "main" link is to Scarborough Day School, but the text describes the original school as just the "Scarborough School". Shouldn't these match?

People use both names, and the school itself (I believe) has officially called itself by both names at different times. There's no reliable source for any of that, but the fact is that the names can be used interchangeably, it doesn't really matter.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 02:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

• "It runs a day treatment program": substance abuse treatment? Or does this mean something else?

fixed.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 02:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

• Suggest redlinking William Creighton; I found an obit of him in the American Quarterly Church Review that would suffice for a small article.

The obituary just seems to indicate that he was a minister who held various church positions and traveled around. I don't know if there's notability there.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 02:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I think there is, but I just found out that WP:REDNOT, which I haven't read for years, now says one shouldn't redlink personal names, so it's moot. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 03:02, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

• "It was led by Creighton's son-in-law": the service was led or the church was led?

fixed.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 02:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

• Matthew Perry is linked twice in the body.

fixed.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 02:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

• I like Hutton's description of the service. I think you should give the year, and also give some indication of the nature of the source -- e.g. by saying "as described in a contemporary regimental history" or something like that.

OK.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 02:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

• Shepard had died before the first service in the temporary chapel; I think this should be mentioned.

The current building was begun in 1893; I made a few errors that I'll correct.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 02:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

• "completed in 1895 and designed by": I think it would read more naturally to say who designed it before saying when it was completed.

Reworded. Would've done the above originally, but the 'designed by' segment is too long; it'd throw the 'completed' segment out of context.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 04:16, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

A very nice edit; simple, but tweaks the syntax just enough to make it work. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 03:02, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

• The opening section mentions 26 contributing buildings, which aren't explicitly listed. You could put this information in a table but that might end up just duplicating what's in the article, but is there any reason not to specify the buildings in the descriptive paragraphs?

There are seven big buildings noted. Unlike many (perhaps most) historic districts in a business district, consisting of rows of shops and banks, this historic district has these large properties. Essentially the other 19 'buildings' are just sheds, garages, gatehouses, and other minor features. The NRHP nomination form didn't even mention each of those buildings, it just describes the history and architecture of the major 7. Also, you can look at the Country Club's Commons category; that property alone has about a dozen other buildings on it.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 04:10, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

• "Mid-19th Century Revival": this is in caps as if it's a specific type of architecture but there's no link. Can it be linked?

This is a specific term that is given full-caps; there isn't an article for it, but I don't think there should be, it would belong in History of architecture or in a history section of Revivalism (architecture).--ɱ (talk · vbm) 04:04, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

• The second paragraph of the "Profile" section is too close in phrasing to the source; most of this should be rephrased.

I'm sorry for that; I must've been pretty careless or lazy. I'll try rewording.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 04:14, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

done.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 06:04, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

• Footnote 4 is the source for the first three sentences of the Beechwood section, but I can't find any of that information in the linked page.

Ref 4 only refers to the House of Dark Shadows info; I can easily find a ref for the rest of it. Will do soon...--ɱ (talk · vbm) 04:12, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

done.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 06:09, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

-- I'll place the nomination on hold. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:43, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to get to this so late; I've been decently busy but I'll wrap up my replies within a day or two.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 02:40, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Looks like you're still working on this; I don't think you've addressed the last two points yet, but I've struck what I can and added a reply or two. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 03:02, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll be doing the rest shortly.--ɱ (talk · vbm) 05:40, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I've copyedited your changes a little. I also figured out what I meant about the missing cite; it was the last sentence of the first paragraph of the Profile section that was uncited. The only fact that needed citing was that Rosemont was demolished, so I just copied the citations up from the sentence that said that further down. Everything now looks OK; passing. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:15, 8 January 2015 (UTC)