Talk:Scherzo

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Instead of Beethoven symphony 6— the Razumovsky quartets of 1806 contain a repeated trio, and predate symphonies 4-6 which also do, postdating symphony 3 which I agree does not! Schissel | Sound the Note! 11:21, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

May it be noted in referance to... "The scherzo developed from the minuet, and gradually came to replace it as the third (or sometimes second) movement in symphonies, string quartets, sonatas and similar works. It traditionally retains the 3/4 time signature and ternary form of the minuet, but is considerably quicker."

It replaced the second movement when there was lack of a third movement. Almost never did it replace the slow movement. 131.123.71.149

repeats

If I understand the article, it does not reflect the common structure of: "scherzo exposition - repeat, scherzo development - repeat, trio exposition -repeat, trio development - repeat, scherzo exposition, scherzo development, coda". I'm not sure of the best way to express this in the article. Rsduhamel (talk) 23:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Scherzo as second movement

When did composers start to sometimes swap the positions of Scherzo/Minuet and slow movement? I believe Mozart already did that in some symphonies? There seem to be many examples, especially in the romantic period. It would be maybe interesting to list some notable examples of the "inverted" form... -- megA (talk) 20:56, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Some notable works are Beethoven's Hammerklavier Sonata and Funeral March sonata. In both of these cases, I think that the slow movement is placed later to increase the impact that the movement creates. The slow movement being placed later in the sonata also increases the suspense caused by it. Aurora Illumina 23:26, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Plural

I notice that someone has reverted a previous change that list both scherzos and scherzos as plural. This change was correct, and I'm restoring it. Note, for example, that the Britannica Online article we link to says as much. All of the dictionaries I checked say the same thing, and for what it's worth Google search shows the same pattern once you filter out non-English pages. It's true that the Italian plural of scherzo is scherzi, but we're not speaking Italian.

Now I'm off to order a couple of pizze and a panino. --Dmh (talk) 03:59, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Merger proposal

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There was no timely reply to the merger proposal, so I'll continue with the merge. LazyStarryNights (talk) 10:40, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

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I propose that Badinerie be merged into Scherzo. I think these pages refer to the same thing with a different name. This is stated in various articles:

• Badinerie: ... While the designation 'badinerie' is not common, its Italian counterpart 'scherzo' appears more frequently. ...
• Orchestral suites (Bach): The Badinerie – (literally "jesting" in French; in other works Bach used the Italian word with the same meaning, "Scherzo") ...
• Badinage: Badinage may refer to: ... Badinerie or scherzo (in classical music) ... LazyStarryNights (talk) 20:22, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

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