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Unreferenced: there are no references. Clean up: this article is a mess. Compare with more mature articles such as Halloween (film series) and A Nightmare on Elm Street (series). Neither are perfect but both are much better than this fragmented mess. It looks like a scrapbook. The JPStalk to me 15:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
agree.88.230.74.119 (talk) 17:08, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
I agree.88.232.139.85 (talk) 16:08, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
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the rules
a thoery me and freinds, and peopel on internet, since this is a dead talk anyway,s is that the character sheilds, in other words non important characters, take the place of main characters to die, say, leaving and saying the i be back line, a minor character will die at that point for some reason, ussualy more.
Agreed?--Jakezing (talk) 03:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
- Ok, I argue this addition on the "Exceptions" area:
"In "Scream 3," Roman Bridger is not superhuman, as one head shot is enough to kill him. However, he was stabbed multiple times earlier in the film, surviving due to a bulletproof vest he wore, a fact which he revealed to Sydney before his last attempt to kill her, which ended when he was shot in the head."
- The whole superhuman does apply metaphorically, because of the bullet proof vest that he wore (no other killer did this) he was technically superhuman, they just found a way around that. Does everyone agree that this "Exception" to the rule be removed? C. Pineda (クリス) (talk) 03:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Rule #2 of the first Scream was disproven in the original "Halloween", a film that the characters often reference, when Jamie Lee Curtis' character is seen smoking dope in the car. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.114.195.84 (talk) 16:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
In the new scream 4 trailer the rules are revelaed. 1. The death's are much more extream.2.The unexpected is the new cliche.3. Virgins can die.4. To be the new version the killer would have to film the murders. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.175.28 (talk) 16:44, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
List of things needing to be done in this article:
- Reception section - combined, not for each movie - however, ensure that it also discusses the reception of the series as a whole. Try to find sources that discuss the basic film categories in reviews, as well as horror review categories.
- Box office and DVD sales for the series, especially the trilogy pack. Don't just state how well it did
- Have one plot summary above the film sections, and give a small summary of each movie's plot. Not too much.
- NOTABLE examples of its influence on the horror genre as well as films. Scary Movie and Shriek if You Know What I Did Last Friday the 13th are notable examples, an out-of-the-way reference, such as (an example, this hasn't actually happened), if Family Guy did a short 15-second flashback involving Ghostface.
- Any information on the trilogy's future should be added, to make the article seem more worthy as an article that will perhaps continue to grow.
- Keep trivial information off of the article. Don't tell people "everyone that died in the movie", don't tell us that so-and-so and what's-her-face and a few others are the only people to appear in every movie.
- Any comments Wes Craven has about the trilogy would be welcome, as would comments from other actors and actresses.
- Any controversy any of the movies have should be mentioned (significant controversies). - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:13, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
THE SCREA 4 BOX OFFICE ESPECIALLY DEOMESTIC NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, ITS MADE 35 MILLION ON BOTH SIDES OF THE WATER! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.83.153 (talk) 13:23, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
OK I WILL GET RIGHT ON THAT K THXX BI Darkwarriorblake (talk) 13:47, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- The box office for the fourth movie could be updated and also why is the review of Scream 3 say 80% for cream of the crop, should it not be updated to what it actually is.
- The review is right, go look. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:18, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
- http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/scream_3/#top-critics-numbers is it not at 38% with 24 reviews!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.101.239.151 (talk) 21:17, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
- The review is right, go look. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:18, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
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- Where are you getting 38 with 24 reviews? It says 37% with 99 reviews, Cream of the Crop has it at 80% with 5 reviews.At the top of the page in the yellow box, above the green bar click Top Critics, thats Cream of the Crop. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:20, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Scream 4
Scream 4 is an Up-Coming Movie the 4th in Scream series. Wes Craven has given Scream 4 a Green Light! And says he wants all the Original Cast in the Movie(Even Randy Meeks Played by Jamie Kennedy) Jamie says he would love to come back for a fourth Movie But dosent see how after he was killed so Brutaly. Also Neve Campbell says If she was to do Scream 4 it would be the last time she appears in one of the movies Says Her Agent. Scream 4 should start filiming be the end 2009 and finish late 2010. And will be a Feature Film in Theatres ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Curtis12 (talk • contribs) 11:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Shut up.14:59, 21 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.81.206 (talk)
Shouldnt it be starting to have it's own page like atleast the foundations of it like actors that are signed on and writers only confirmed information not a fan fest page Nbeau1989 (talk) 12:32, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- Best to wait until it's actually in production. The JPStalk to me 12:53, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- As per WP:CRYSTAL this film is not yet in production, and does not yet warrant its own page. However, people keep trying to add it. Please stop! Rob Sinden (talk) 15:19, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Cult
How on Earth is the Scream series a cult series? They were very mainstream, critically well-received and successful... There is absolutely nothing about them that would fit along the definition of "cult." 98.168.204.179 (talk) 20:44, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
- They've attained cult status due to the reputation they've achieved as comedy films, not just beig viewed as the horror films in which they were intended. 93.97.150.79 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:38, 20 October 2009 (UTC).
- I'm not so sure about that. At all. I've read numerous articles, in which Craven and Williamson describe how the intention was for it to be humorous from the get-go. They're not unintentionally hilarious, as say, some kind of camp films. They're deliberately riddled with dark humor. And couple that with critics recognizing the balance of funny and suspenseful, in addition to it being a huge box office success, cult status just does not apply here.--Cinemaniac86Oy_gevalt. 23:19, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Edit request
{{editsemiprotected}}
Too many anonymous users are either vandalizing, adding Scream 4 rumors and/or adding unsourced information. While most of these people are editing with good faith, it's gotten too out of hand. I have to undo edits on a more than frequent basis and the comment section isn't preventing people from continuing to edit without sources. Geeky Randy (talk) 03:59, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Not done: It sounds like you want to file a semiprotection request over at WP:RFPP. Celestra (talk) 04:56, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
- I filed the request. Thank you very much. Geeky Randy (talk) 21:17, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
- It was declined, but I was given permission if issues continued. They have. Geeky Randy (talk) 02:37, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Scream 4's own page
Scream 4 is gonna be filming in Michigan next month, and the first teaser poster was released today. There's enough information about it, so it deserves it's own page now. --Sdoo493 (talk) 20:00, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
- Not until filming commences as per WP:NFF. Rob Sinden (talk) 07:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Derek, Sid's Boyfriend
When was he referenced in Scream 3. I don't even remember it other than her wearing the chain on her neck.72.150.62.188 (talk) 21:59, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Rules Section
Does anyone have a good reason to keep this section? It doesn't really serve any purpose that I can see and is essentially just trivia. It is.....20/03/2010, so if I have no reply by 22/03/2010, I'll assume there are no objections and delete it.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:49, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
- I agree with removing it. It's trivia and an indiscriminate collection of information. It would work on Wikia, but not Wikipedia. —Mike Allen 00:06, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the input :D Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:26, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Agree. The JPStalk to me 09:20, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you for your input JPS Darkwarriorblake (talk) 13:34, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Agree. The JPStalk to me 09:20, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the input :D Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:26, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Progress
At the moment I'm not sure theres much more I can add to this article until the two documentaries come out, finding sources for it is incredibly more difficult than it should be and its often conflicting which doesn't help. If anyone does have any information about the music that would be handy or the development of Scream 2, I can't find much on them. In particular information the song "Trouble in Woodsboro" or "Sidney's Lament" would be good since I think that appears in each film as Sidneys theme, might be worth having an excerpt on the page.
Other than that I think I'm stuck until the documentaries in April.
EDIT: Or information on home media versions, sales, income, whatever. Or casting. I'm really relying on this documentary to fill all this out.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:39, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
- The article is starting to look really good. You've done a lot of work on this, and it shows. Keep it up. What documentaries, btw? The JPStalk to me 22:35, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks :D There are two documentaries coming out, one is called Still Screaming, it apparently has input from everyone from Neve to Parker Posey, everyone except Kevin Williamson who is apparently pretty pissed off with the franchise and the Weinsteins right now. So there is a lot of potential good information in there and its made with support of the Weinsteins so should be reliable info to. I think its released just before Scream 4. The second is called Scream: The Inside Story, the guys behind this one apparently also did Never Sleep Again: The Elm Street Legacy. Looks like it only focuses on the first film though.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:57, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
- I used apparently a lot there apparently.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:58, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
- I got some more information from an E! special and a short documentary of the Ultimate Edition DVD, both on Youtube, so I'll be rewriting some stuff to clarify and add dates, so if you notice something particularly wrong that I may have missed, please feel free to point it outDarkwarriorblake (talk) 02:35, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
- I used apparently a lot there apparently.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:58, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks :D There are two documentaries coming out, one is called Still Screaming, it apparently has input from everyone from Neve to Parker Posey, everyone except Kevin Williamson who is apparently pretty pissed off with the franchise and the Weinsteins right now. So there is a lot of potential good information in there and its made with support of the Weinsteins so should be reliable info to. I think its released just before Scream 4. The second is called Scream: The Inside Story, the guys behind this one apparently also did Never Sleep Again: The Elm Street Legacy. Looks like it only focuses on the first film though.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:57, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
DVD/Blu Ray Sales
If anyone knows where to find these I'd be very appreciative, I've tried every avenue I can think of, someone must have them. I tried the-numbers but doesn't seem to have stuff that far back, I know we probably can't get Blu Ray sales for a week or so at least but I don't know where I can find these at all.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 01:10, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Character List
Does anyone have any ideas for the character list? It seems silly to mention people were mentioned or to base their inclusion in the list on that. FOr Steve Orth for example, he appears for like....3 minutes on screen, has no audible lines and dies and is mentioned in passing in Scream 2 but there is no emphasis or plot there, its just tying into the first film (I think its because someone called Stevens was killed in Scream 2). He's not a central character, hes a prop, that scene is all about Casey Becker's death. I mean I know WHO should be on it, thats obvious, but if there is no clear definition it will turn into an edit war over what people think is notable.
IMO, I'd at least be in favour of removing the "Character mentioned in ?" parts as, like I said above, in all cases its almost entirely irrelevant and definitely not notable for the sake of an encyclopedic article.
I certainly don't want it to end up like the Star Wars one seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_wars#Cast_and_characters
But I find it difficult to justify Steve Orth or Hank Loomis, someone else who appears only briefly and then disappears, being on there, or...Reporter. Reporter with no name who appears in background stuff.
- Also I'd guess that listing Maureen prescott as appearing in Scream and Scream 2 is because she appears in a photo or something? Again I don't think that is something that would count. Is she in hte credits for that?Darkwarriorblake (talk) 17:04, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
- I'm of the opinion that all the killers should be on the list as they're the driving force behind each film, if you can't call them important characters I don't know who you can.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 13:54, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
- So to be honest I'm thinking of scrapping the character list altogether, not sure its all that necessary, but if it stays I think these guidelines would be good to follow:
- I'm of the opinion that all the killers should be on the list as they're the driving force behind each film, if you can't call them important characters I don't know who you can.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 13:54, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
- Also I'd guess that listing Maureen prescott as appearing in Scream and Scream 2 is because she appears in a photo or something? Again I don't think that is something that would count. Is she in hte credits for that?Darkwarriorblake (talk) 17:04, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
- Character must have a speaking role at a minimum
- Character must appear on screen for at least 10% of the films runtime. Casey in, Hank Loomis out.
- Character must be involved in some form with the main plot. Lois and Murphy No, Kenny Yes
- Character was a killer (These drive the film so they're pretty important)
- Billing doesn't override these others.
- Not sure what else could be applicable, if it stays it should only really highlight key players, which is of course arbitrary. From my perspective only Roman is worth mentioning from Scream 3, Mickey, Mrs. Loomis and I guess Derek from Scream 2. I guess you'd have to mention Hallie though she's fairly inconsequential.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:09, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Another option, though I'm loathed to reference Twilight, they have a List of Twilight cast members and List of Twilight characters. So Cast and Characters could be replaced entirely with two links, maybe a brief overview. But is it worth having a List of Cast members for this series?Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:25, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
- Threw together a small example here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Darkwarriorblake#Character_List Could probably use better dividing names though.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 17:55, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Contacting Marco Beltrami
Ok guys I could use some help. Its very difficult to find information on the music for this series even though its solid stuff and Beltrami's earliest film work. I contacted his site and Buck Sanders got in touch with me with Beltrami's email to ask some general questions about the music. So I could use some help thinking of (i'd say a minimum of questions, don't want to push it) on key information the article could use concerning music as music isn't my forte in terms of considering what was behind it. If anyone has any advice please chime in.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 11:33, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry to put a dampener on things, but don't think we could use an email a reliable source. Please see Wikipedia:Verifiability... --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:54, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Isn't that what most online interviewers do? I assume they're contacting him by phone, skype or email. Perhaps I could provide it to an interested website who could verify its authenticity and host itDarkwarriorblake (talk) 11:58, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- But that would be Original research. Check WP:SOURCES. --Rob Sinden (talk) 12:02, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Reading that link, I don't think it would be if you did what I said above. Ask the questions, provide it to a solid site and ask them to verify it. They contact them, say "Have you conducted an interview with Darkwarriorblake with this content" and get the same level of verification they get when they conduct most interviews I imagine. I'm sure, depending on what is asked, the more established horror sites would be happy to have it. This could be the most useful way of getting information on the music. Most interviews with him on the subject are many years old and they all ask him the same questions about why the Broken Arrow song is in the soundtrack instead of useful things like his intentions when creating certain notable tracks.
- But that would be Original research. Check WP:SOURCES. --Rob Sinden (talk) 12:02, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Isn't that what most online interviewers do? I assume they're contacting him by phone, skype or email. Perhaps I could provide it to an interested website who could verify its authenticity and host itDarkwarriorblake (talk) 11:58, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- It's worth asking questions either way, the onus is on sourcing it, useful info is still useful info. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:08, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Could all be moot anyway, I might contact him and he isn't interested in discussing it. But I still think its worth an attempt. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:10, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Sounds convoluted, but yes, if there was an interview published in a reliable secondary source, then that would be acceptable. --Rob Sinden (talk) 12:12, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- I just can't think what specifically to ask. I definitely want information on his thought process/creative process on Sidney's Lament because that choral line is used all the way into Scream 4 I believe so very important. Maybe followed by the Ghostface theme or Trouble in Wooodsboro. But I'm not a music guy, not sure what the most important info would be.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- I'd probably also ask why the Danny Elfman piece was inserted into Scream 2.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:27, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Hey. Rob is correct, I'm afraid. A personal email wouldn't be verifiable, and couldn't be considered a reliable source. I like your enthusiasm, though! I once considered trying to get something published so that I could reference it in WP, but life just isn't long enough. Do you have access to an academic journal database? If you are a FE or HE student you should have, and you should get some good material (technically you shouldn't use the archive for non-college work, but who will know...?) There's always Google Books... The JPStalk to me 21:10, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- What about what I said to Rob about getting it published on a site though that can independently verify its genuine? Other than that there isn't much option for getting further information on this subject, no interviewer I've found has ever asked him the interesting questions, just the same ones over and over.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:30, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, you could try to get it published on a site, although be careful if the site meets WP:RS. Do you intend to nominate this article for WP:GA at some point, or is it a labor of love? The reviewers, even at GAN, are getting more picky over sources. The JPStalk to me 21:45, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Well I'd like to think its nearly worth of GAN if The Twilight Saga already is, this is a lot more detailed with a lot more info despite how much harder it is to find. Even if I do say so myself it's not far off being the best source on the Internet to find all this information in one, easy accessible place. It's just lacking in some places like Scream 3 because the info is just so damn hard to find. It doesn't help they named it Scream. Searching for Scream is not exactly the same as searching for A Nightmare on Elm Street. One is certainly more specific than the other. There's plenty of stuff I could add here but I can't source it so I leave it out. The examiner seems to get a lot of Scream interviews but its blocked as a source because its a content farm, so I have to make do.
- Yeah, you could try to get it published on a site, although be careful if the site meets WP:RS. Do you intend to nominate this article for WP:GA at some point, or is it a labor of love? The reviewers, even at GAN, are getting more picky over sources. The JPStalk to me 21:45, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- What about what I said to Rob about getting it published on a site though that can independently verify its genuine? Other than that there isn't much option for getting further information on this subject, no interviewer I've found has ever asked him the interesting questions, just the same ones over and over.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:30, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Hey. Rob is correct, I'm afraid. A personal email wouldn't be verifiable, and couldn't be considered a reliable source. I like your enthusiasm, though! I once considered trying to get something published so that I could reference it in WP, but life just isn't long enough. Do you have access to an academic journal database? If you are a FE or HE student you should have, and you should get some good material (technically you shouldn't use the archive for non-college work, but who will know...?) There's always Google Books... The JPStalk to me 21:10, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- I'd probably also ask why the Danny Elfman piece was inserted into Scream 2.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:27, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- I just can't think what specifically to ask. I definitely want information on his thought process/creative process on Sidney's Lament because that choral line is used all the way into Scream 4 I believe so very important. Maybe followed by the Ghostface theme or Trouble in Wooodsboro. But I'm not a music guy, not sure what the most important info would be.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- It's worth asking questions either way, the onus is on sourcing it, useful info is still useful info. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:08, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- It's not so much a labor of love because I only really like Scream, I just saw things that needed fixing and its kind of spiraled out of control into an obsession. There are several horror sites who might be interested in such a thing, maybe not bloody-disgusting but shocktillyoudrop. Depends what I ask I guess. Its a bit disheartening, I didn't expect to get a response from his team, got one and now find that anything I get I might not be able to use.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:01, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Could you ask him if he plans on doing any interviews about the music with any horror news websites or Entertainment Weekly, Los Angeles Times, New York Times, Hollywood Reporter, etc? If he emailed you answered, how would you use that as a source in an article? —Mike Allen 23:38, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Like I said above, I'd probably have to supply it to one of the bigger horror sites to see if they want it and they could independently ask "did you do this interview with this guy", verify it, then post it. Then its all legitamizzle and shiznit. I can ask that sure but if he hasn't done it in 16 years I'd think its unlikely, maybe about the Scream 4 music sure but the old stuff, its doubtful.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 23:51, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- Wikinews accepts original interviews. You probably couldn't use it as a source in a Wikipedia article , but you'd be able to link to it. The JPStalk to me 16:46, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
- Ah cool info, thanks, I just need to think of some questions now that will give me the definitive answers I need. I'm thinking the creation is the most important, knowing why, where there alternatives, etc.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:32, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
- Could you ask him if he plans on doing any interviews about the music with any horror news websites or Entertainment Weekly, Los Angeles Times, New York Times, Hollywood Reporter, etc? If he emailed you answered, how would you use that as a source in an article? —Mike Allen 23:38, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
- It's not so much a labor of love because I only really like Scream, I just saw things that needed fixing and its kind of spiraled out of control into an obsession. There are several horror sites who might be interested in such a thing, maybe not bloody-disgusting but shocktillyoudrop. Depends what I ask I guess. Its a bit disheartening, I didn't expect to get a response from his team, got one and now find that anything I get I might not be able to use.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:01, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Ok this is what I have so far question wise, any suggestions or feedback? I'm struggling to think now I';m on the spot and I don't want to mail it off then remember something. I don't want to ask about Scream 4 because there will more than likely be plenty of interviews concerning that. Its the other 3 films that are the hardest to find for.
Question 1: The track Sidney's Lament became a signature theme for the series. Did you approach it by focusing on the character or with the thought that it may become the identifying theme for Scream?
Question 2: Where there alternatives for what would become Sidney's theme or was Sidney's Lament what you had envisioned and were happy with?
Question 3: For Scream, you've been recorded as saying the choral voice represents Sidney's loneliness and her relationship with her lost mother. Was there any particular meaning behind it for Scream 2 and 3?
Question 4: In Scream 2 there is a Danny Elfman scored piece, Cassandra Aria. Was there any particular reason this was chosen over your own work?
Question 5: Did you create a piece for that scene where the Elfman track appears?
Question 6: For Scream 3, your track "Pied a Terror" is the only time a male voice is added to Sidney's theme. Was this intended to represent her brother and his similar strained relationship with their mother?
Question 7: You approached Scream as a western, did you approach the sequels with a particular genre feel also or simply focus on evolving your work from Scream?
Question 8: Was there ever any interference with your work or was the studio/Wes Craven happy with your direction and the music you ultimately created?
Question 9: Sidney's Lament has arguably become the identifying track for the series. Were you aware it had that potential or was there another track you believed would become your defining work on the film(s)?
Question 10: Trouble in Woodsboro is also an interesting piece, what was your approach in creating it?
Question 11: What was your approach in creating the Ghostface theme? Was it ever influenced by your knowledge of who was meant to be underneath the costume?
Question 12: Is there any meaning behind it akin to Sidneys loneliness in Lament? Darkwarriorblake (talk) 23:26, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Worthy of GA yet?
Anyone think this is worthy of GA yet or have any suggestions? It's more extensive than other GA's like The Twilight Saga (film series), very detailed if I say so myself, double checked, triple checked, decently sourced, etc, etc. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 23:24, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
- I think it's very informative. More informative than the Scream, Scream 2 and Scream 3 articles, lol. Maybe some production could be merged into the respective articles? :P I would ask someone from the Copyedit board to give it a copyedit, and maybe run it through peer view before GA.
- Bah, we should merge the Scream 1-3 articles into here lest we tarnish my masterpiece by cutting it up. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 01:05, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- Lol. Afraid it wouldn't work like that. I'm still reading it, and I'm very impressed. Great research and writing. :) —Mike Allen 01:11, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- I dunno, I think I've kept it mostly general, akin to Friday the 13th (franchise) while covering the key points though the more intricate details of filming locations could almost definitely go to their respective articles, but I've left stuff light enough that the main articles can dig deeper on stuff like casting. Ulrich was partly cast because he looked like Johnny Depp in A Nightmare on Elm Street for instance and they recreate him coming through Nancy's window almost exactly with Campbell and Ulrich. There's a lot of Scream stuff, like double everything else but that's because it sets everything else up and the sequels don't require you to go deep on their development or writing or the casting of the main leads. I am thinking of moving "Casting" up to "Cast and Characters" though and making a new article for "List of Scream cast members", moving that table over there, expanded obviously.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 10:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- Though yes much of this information needs to be duplicated and expanded upon in their respective articles. It's one of those perplexing things, you'd think a film like Scream would have a FAC by now, drowning in deep information but then you go look at Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor and The Matrix (franchise) that are weak and mostly a mess. I always thought they had enough fans to have these ridiculously long and detailed articles.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 10:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- I dunno, I think I've kept it mostly general, akin to Friday the 13th (franchise) while covering the key points though the more intricate details of filming locations could almost definitely go to their respective articles, but I've left stuff light enough that the main articles can dig deeper on stuff like casting. Ulrich was partly cast because he looked like Johnny Depp in A Nightmare on Elm Street for instance and they recreate him coming through Nancy's window almost exactly with Campbell and Ulrich. There's a lot of Scream stuff, like double everything else but that's because it sets everything else up and the sequels don't require you to go deep on their development or writing or the casting of the main leads. I am thinking of moving "Casting" up to "Cast and Characters" though and making a new article for "List of Scream cast members", moving that table over there, expanded obviously.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 10:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- Lol. Afraid it wouldn't work like that. I'm still reading it, and I'm very impressed. Great research and writing. :) —Mike Allen 01:11, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- Bah, we should merge the Scream 1-3 articles into here lest we tarnish my masterpiece by cutting it up. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 01:05, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Since we aren't using "Cream of the Crop" or "Top Critics" in individual film articles anymore (or at least we're not supposed to be) then it should probably be removed from this page as well. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 21:44, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
- BTW, I think this page should probably be "film series" instead of "franchise". I don't see on this page where the "Scream" name applies to anything other than the films. There are not a series of books, comics, video games, etc. out there for this film series. That is what usually denotes a "franchise" in the way we are using it on Wikipedia. It's a "film franchise" but for naming purposes here, we just call that a "film series". BIGNOLE (Contact me) 04:12, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
- I've been bold and moved it - it seems quite clear that this is where it should be. --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:32, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
- Were you also bold in updating all the links that now point to Scream franchise?Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:10, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
- No - I was hanging on to see if there was any backlash on the move. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:08, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
- And there is a Scream game, its on IPhone and the associated merchandise of the costume. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:13, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
- I still wouldn't say that that this would be classed as a "franchise" article over a "film series" article just yet. In fact, are they even mentioned? They could be dealt with in a "merchandise" section, but wouldn't really qualify as a franchise in the terms of a series which has associated comic books, novels, etc. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:08, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
- This was my fault for suggesting it should be "franchise". —Mike Allen 19:00, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
- I still wouldn't say that that this would be classed as a "franchise" article over a "film series" article just yet. In fact, are they even mentioned? They could be dealt with in a "merchandise" section, but wouldn't really qualify as a franchise in the terms of a series which has associated comic books, novels, etc. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:08, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
- Were you also bold in updating all the links that now point to Scream franchise?Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:10, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
- I've been bold and moved it - it seems quite clear that this is where it should be. --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:32, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Scream series done by fans
There's also a series of Scream films featuring Ghostface directed by fans that is now breaking into mainstream cinema. Here: [1] Dickie birdie (talk) 10:52, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- Really? Stop with the petty trolling. You've obviously never actually seen the Scream movies because Stab is a fictional series in the Scream franchise, meaning it doesn't exist. There have been fans that have created their own fan films based on those, I guess posting a fan film on YouTube is "breaking into mainstream cinema" in your mind. Thankfully they're not censored right?--MrChristensen (talk) 13:22, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- I have all the Scream films. And a Stab film has been released on the cinema. You obviously are as ignorant about Scream as The Blair Witch Project. Dickie birdie (talk) 14:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- The Blair Witch Project page on Wikipedia has a lot of information missing, shouldn't you be remedying that situation? Don't count on me for any assistance Dickie birdie (talk) 14:58, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Boilerplate "compared to high grossing horror franchises"
Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film#Boilerplate "compared to high grossing horror franchises" jnestorius(talk) 11:23, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
"Scream: A new Beginning" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Scream: A new Beginning. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 19#Scream: A new Beginning until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. ★Trekker (talk) 17:53, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
New Edits to Scream (Franchise)
I will be making a series of edits to this article. Specifically, I want to include more updated information for sections such as (Controversies, Television, etc.). These edits will be minor in most cases and will not drastically change the major structure of this article. Erossing99 (talk) 15:38, 30 March 2022 (UTC)