Talk:Scream 4/Archive 1

Archive 1

Reboot?

- Why is this film described as a reboot in the article when it's clearly a sequel and continuation of the story established in the previous three films? That's exactly what a reboot isn't. 167.182.124.254 (talk) 15:33, 8 July 2010 (UTC)DetectiveFork

Notice the source next to that? (Variety) It states, "Emma Roberts and Hayden Panettiere have boarded the original "Scream" team in Dimension's reboot of the horror franchise." I'll look for more sources later. Mike Allen 18:21, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Locked

If someone writes spam on this article, delete it and block them. Surely people who don't want to create accounts are trustworthy enough to edit this. I understand the reasoning behind it. You think that if trolls can't edit this with their ip address, they won't bother creating accounts, but locking this causes an opposite problem, because users who don't have accounts aren't going to bother creating one to correct spelling.Green Kirby (talk) 06:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

It was locked because IPs were continuously adding unsourced material. It'll be unlocked at the end of this month. We'll see how it goes then. I try my best to revert and rescue the article, but when IPs out-number me, I sometimes fail and get frustrated that all my time is going into reverting. So locking an article gives things time to cool off. We hope. Keep in mind that IPs and non confirmed users can add an edit request and it will be looked into promptly. Thanks for you spelling corrections; I get "was" and "were" confused often. Sometimes when something sounds right to me, it's usually wrong -- and vice versa. Mike Allen 07:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Thar ain't no problem weth gettin grammar cunfoosed sumtime.Green Kirby (talk) 20:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Wrapped

On the 14 of August it was confirmed by David Arquette that Courtney Cox had wrapped on filming for Scream 4. Maybe this should be included in the Filming? Heres the link: http://scream-trilogy.net/2010/08/courteney-gone-david-and-neve-still-in-the-game/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.47.28.129 (talk) 13:29, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Wait until a more mainstream source reports it. Adding fansites will just be reverted. WP:FANSITE Mike Allen 06:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Another thing. The teaser poster is a fan made fake. The only real poster that has come out was the one with just the ghostface mask on it. No other poster has been released. Check the main website, fan sites and forums. That poster is fan made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.140.248 (talk) 17:38, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Jangelo88, 28 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} The Character of Mary McDonnell is incorrect, on the Scream 4 page. Her character name is Kate Kessler, mother to Emma Roberts character, Jill Kessler

Jangelo88 (talk) 20:46, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

What source does it state that? Thanks. Mike Allen 21:21, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Clean up tag placed on article

User:Miss HollyJ has placed a clean up tag on the top of the page. I reverted the assertion and suggested they take it to the talk page. They reverted me back and placed a warning on my talk page. Please let's discuss what needs clean up and what is a "mess". It's not recommended you place a clean up tag on an article (that has active editors) and not explain what exactly needs "cleaned". Thank you. Mike Allen 03:55, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

There are several statements and other facts that really are not needed on the article. As well as the summary for the "Casting" section, which is way too long. As for the cast section itself, most of the brief summaries are not needed, since the actor's role hasn't even been revealed yet. So until the full fact about the particular actor and their role is revealed, nothing should be listed, but the actors themselves. Also, there seems to be a lack of sources throughout the article. As well as secondary and reliable sources, which I might tag again if the problem isn't resolved soon. --HollyJ .^Talk —Preceding undated comment added 04:12, 11 September 2010 (UTC).

I agree with the Jamie Kennedy paragraphs. It's kind of contradictory and doesn't make sense. I trimmed that. As for the cast section, some of the sources announced the name of the character and then the casting slides describe that character's role. We were putting two and two together and that borders WP:SYNTHESIS, so it's been removed. Though for the actors like Erik Knudsen, Adam Brody, etc, their roles have not been announced, but there is a description of their characters listed. I disagree with lack of sources, the whole article is sourced. Can you be specific on what's not sourced? See here of the changes I made and let me know if that satisfies your concerns. Thanks. Mike Allen 05:16, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

The changes you've made pretty much fix the whole article for now, except with the secondary sourcing. A trim was really the only thing needed here, but I just have an issue with the lack of sources. For example, the actors and who is portraying who all only have one source, but who knows if their reliable or not? I mean the internet is full of websites that consist of nothing but rumors at times. So you can't really trust any site that you first lay your eyes on. That's where the secondary sourcing comes in Wikipedia:RS. All I ask is for more than one source here. I mean Scream 4 is going to get pretty popular with the media and the new generation horror fans in the upcoming months as the release date soon approaches. And when it does become as popular, the article will really need more than just one source for such important information such as the cast and other useful updates. --HollyJ .^Talk06:12, 11 September 2010 (UTC).

I agree 5teevee5 (talk) 07:32, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand when you say this article only "has one source". It has 33 sources, all from reliable sources. I'm very much aware of WP:RS. This article contains references from, Entertainment Weekly, The Hollywood Reporter, MTV News, Variety etc. Where do you think the publications such as EW and THR get their information? Directly from the production company. I've removed the clean up tag. Mike Allen 07:51, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 86.45.238.83, 5 July 2010

{{tlf|editsemiprotected} Pere Hilton reports that Mary McConnell has been cast as Lauren Graham's replacement. http://perezhilton.com/2010-07-02-more-scream-4-cast-changes-gilmore-girl-drops 86.45.238.83 (talk) 23:03, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

 Not done and here's why: Actually the original source is The Wrap. The fan-site scream-trilogy.net re-posted it, and then Perez re-posted the scream-trilogy.net post, which stated "If we were betting, we’d say that McDonnell is Graham’s replacement". The original reliable source (The Wrap) does not state that at all. It's currently unknown, to the public. See WP:RS for more reasons why we don't include fan-sites and gossip blogs such as Perez Hilton into external links or inline citations. However if you do spot it being reported in a reliable source, please post back. Thanks. :-) Mike Allen 01:07, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

The introduction says that filming "commenced" on September 22, 2010, but it should say that it has been "completed." What I'm getting at is that someone thinks commence means "to end" when it means "to begin." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.37.30.138 (talk) 23:15, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

 Done Mike Allen 23:57, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Fan made teaser should be removed.

The poster depicted to the top left of the page is a fan made poster by the deviant art user, Themadbutcher. Themadbutcher is not in any way affiliated with dimension films or Scream 4, and his work is not official promotional material.90.245.48.156 (talk) 19:21, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

People just don't understand that Wikipedia is not a place for FANCRUFT. There is Wikia for that. Thanks for your message, it's been removed.. again. Mike Allen 20:23, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Also can anyone possibly post about the trailer that was recently released.- 3picmike —Preceding unsigned comment added by 3picmike (talk • contribs) 23:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

What should be written about it? Mike Allen 00:49, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Rodrigokurtz, 30 December 2010

{{edit semi-protected}}

External links

• HelloSidney.com
• Ghostface.co.uk

Rodrigokurtz (talk) 17:34, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Not done: - those both appear to be fan sites unconnected with the film's production company, and shouldn't be here per WP:FANSITE.   — Jeff G.  ツ 18:05, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Redirect Scream 4 (Film)

I am not sure how to change a redirect, but Scream 4 (Film) (Notice the capital F) redirects to Scream (film series). The lower case one redirects to this page. Angryapathy (talk) 19:13, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I fixed it. When you click on a redirected link that sends you to an article, you can look below the article title and "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" for the phrase "(Redirected from <redirected link>)". When you click on that redirected link again, you will be able to see the page like in this manner to edit and fix it. Erik (talk | contribs) 19:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and thanks! Angryapathy (talk) 20:37, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

My pleasure. Happy editing! Erik (talk | contribs) 20:59, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Mt1000, 6 March 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Underneath the RELEASE section, I think the part that reads "A test screening took place in Pittsburgh on January 6, 2011," should follow up with, "In addition, a SCREAM-A-THON event is scheduled to take place in Suffolk, VA the day before its release, which will screen the original trilogy before Scream 4 premieres at midnight." The wording could be changed, and here are 3 references to this information: http://hamptonroads.com/2011/03/screamathon, http://events.wvec.com/suffolk/events/screamathon-/E0-001-037329458-8, and http://www.film.virginia.org/hotline/Hotline.aspx?ID=1710. Mt1000 (talk) 19:42, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Not done: I don't think that this information adds much to the article. Individual instances of screenings seem to fall under WP:NOTNEWS.—C45207 | Talk 00:47, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Anthony's and Marielle's role

Who reverted the roles that I listed for these two actors? Anthony is playing Detective Perkins and Marielle is playing Olivia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.156.86.157 (talk) 23:37, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

There's no reliable sources for their roles. Also... um yes he's playing a "Detective" that wears regular police uniforms.. Mike Allen 23:51, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Um...He could be throwing the other characters off. Plus the information was listed on their individual wiki pages. Its okay though. I just wanted to help out you know. Its wierd that they are in the movie but nothing of their character except sides is official.66.97.51.211 (talk) 15:32, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

In the new longer Candian trailer it is clear when Adam Brody's character approachers Anthony's character he calls 'Perkins'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.101.239.151 (talk) 17:17, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

We'll wait until a cast list is released. It shouldn't be long. People go to IMDb for a cast list, people come to Wikipedia for more information on the casting/production. Usually. —Mike Allen 00:10, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Now it's been confirmed both Anthony and Brody are playing 'Deputies'. See this is why we wait for official sources. —Mike Allen 00:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Run Time

The BBFC has announced that it will be rated "15" in the UK along with a run time of 110 mins, 49 seconds. [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.250.147 (talk) 15:53, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Scream 4 facts from Entertainment Weekly

Summary of stuff about Scream 4 I thought you may find useful for the article. I don't want to do it myself because I'll end up obsessing over it like I'm doing the main series article. http://scream-trilogy.net/2011/04/ew-scream-4-article-summary-new-still/ Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:12, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

What issue and date is this of Entertainment Weekly. Do you have the issue? —Mike Allen 21:31, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

It came out today, issue 1150, April. I don't have it yet, working on getting hold of it. There's a preview of it here: http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/04/07/scream-4-this-weeks-cover/ and the summary came from here, same place I got that link: http://scream-trilogy.net/2011/04/ew-scream-4-article-summary-new-still/

And while I have you, Cathy Konrad is now listed as an executive producer on the film, though I don't know how to source it. Her name is on the official posters with Weinstein and Ehren Kruger. You might have to just wait for the film and source that Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:01, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

If you do get it, can you scan it and email it to me? I don't think we list executive producers (unless they are notable), just the producers. —Mike Allen 00:16, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm trying to get someone who has it to scan it so if I can get it I will send it your way. And |I thought it was worth mentioning in relation to her case in the ...development section? Pretty big deal they had to give her a credit. Plus at the moment in the infobox Cathy Feingold, Harvey and Bob Weinstein are listed and they're only executive producers. Well Feingold is a co-producer, not sure what that is.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:26, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I would say Harvey and Bob are notable. ;) Plus, it seems from interviews Bob had a lot of decision making for the film (most EP don't). The infobox really shouldn't list every single credit. It can be written in prose. —Mike Allen 00:34, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I meant its from the poster. I mean if this is one of the official posters, its hard to tell because its kinda crappy. Its not easy to read but she is listed as co-producer. The Weinsteins, Kruger, and Conrad are listed as executive. Williamson is now listed as a producer alongside Craven and Labunka. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9Sqb6Vhazxg/TUesTIIDvHI/AAAAAAAATlY/Jv6fD8h-xHw/s1600/Scream+4+poster.jpg Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:55, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I read it from IMP Awards which usually only adds official posters. —Mike Allen 00:59, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh wow, thats a big ass poster. And there I was squinting to read Darkwarriorblake (talk) 01:13, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Ta-Da http://gallery-davidarquettefans.blogspot.com/2011/04/entertainment-weekly-april-15-2011.html I'm assuming thats all of it, not read the whole thing yet. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 11:18, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Hmm...thats a little annoying. The last picture says go to ew.com/screamhistory for full interviews with the cast but doesn't seem to be there. This article doesn't really add as much info as I was expecting from all the hype. :( Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:14, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

CGI

They have used CGI before, not as extensively as this mind you but the bullet wound on Derek in Scream 2, the blood was added in post production.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:21, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Rewrite Plot Please

This article is in desperate need of a clean up, the way the plot is currently written is barely legible and is not up to wikipedia standards. Please rewrite if you are an editor familiar with the plot of Scream 4. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.11.200.41 (talk) 15:27, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, this is usual for a movie that's only been out for a day or two. It'll be cleaned up later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.158.200.17 (talk) 16:57, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

What, pray tell, is wrong with it? If you want a play by play of the entire film, scream.wikia is thatta way ---> Darkwarriorblake (talk) 17:04, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

When I wrote this early this morning, the writing was illegible, not the plot itself. With phrases such as "shot her in the ass and kill her", it was pretty bad. It has been fixed though sicne this morning and I appreciate it. Thank you to whoever edited it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.11.200.41 (talk) 18:34, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Jill's Death

She wasn't killed by being shot, as this article says. She got killed by electrical discharge or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.158.200.17 (talk) 14:30, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for the clarification, I was confused by her getting back up and getting shot.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 15:06, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

She did get a fatal shot! When Sidney and Gale are down looking at Dewey, Jill gets up behind them and Sidney turns and shoots her, dead. —Mike Allen 21:01, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

I know dude, was being sarcastic with him for funsies. It's amazing how many people seem to not know about that shot, must've reverted it a dozen times in the Scream characters page today. I think everyone just got up and walked out three minutes before the film ended. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:12, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Plot

Is it worth including the events of the fake openings? I'm happy to leave it with only the films real details but realized some people might not like that Darkwarriorblake (talk) 11:38, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

IMO, no. It has no bearing on the actual plot. —Mike Allen 21:06, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah didn't think so, just thought I should get some input before any edit wars start or anything.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:13, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Box office reference

http://www.deadline.com/2011/04/first-box-office-rio-bird-winning-intl-battle-with-hop/

Thought people more involved with the article might find this useful, analysts view of Scream 4s opening box office. Would be useful for the box office section obviouslyDarkwarriorblake (talk) 20:14, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

I did add that, but someone changed it and said "we don't write predictions". Well no shit, we aren't writing the predictions, Nikki Finke from Deadline.com is, which is considered a RS. The editor added the opening day gross, but didn't add a source. I can't right now, I'll be back later. —Mike Allen 20:59, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

S'ok, didn't want to lose the link is all. And thats weird, deadline is recognized from what I understand at being good at what it does. Predictions about its BO versus its eventual takings is pretty good info I think.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:01, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

There was an opening day total added (it was updated AFTER I saw it yesterday). So my bad. —Mike Allen 00:07, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Another reference, not aboutthe box office but about reshoots, includes screens of the changed scene involving the two girls who are killed and explains where that hanging scene went. http://scream-trilogy.net/2011/04/the-unseen-scream-4-part-1-opening-scene-spoilers/ And Wes Craven's cameo was apparently as the coroner. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 15:55, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 76.110.76.221, 16 April 2011

Please change the plot, spoilers are not cool... I checked the site to see if it has good comments from critics and now I know the whole story. I'm pissed and I don't want others to fund out who the killer is like I did.

76.110.76.221 (talk) 17:23, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

If you didn't want spoilers, why did you read the plot instead of skipping down to reception? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.11.200.41 (talk) 18:11, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't do censorship for the sake of spoilers, it'd be pretty silly to come to the Scream 4 article after its release and sillier to read the plot but if it makes you feel better people were posting spoilers BEFORE its release and ruined it for me as well. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:12, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

So the hell what. I agree, the plot listed here is written by someone with no understanding what a synopsis is. I saw the movie last night, before I came to the wiki page, but I thought the Plot written about here is a word for word telling of what is in the movie which is completely unnecessary and shows the lack of writing skill the author has. You should not be allowed to write Wiki articles for movies or anything else for that matter. Sometimes people come to this site to read about a movie they are interested in, but there is no need for spoilers. It is just lazy writing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakeinfo19 (talk • contribs) 14:02, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

That's why it's listed as "Plot" and not "Synopsis". This in encyclopedia, not a fan site that is worried about "spoilers". —Mike Allen 20:31, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Production notes

The production notes can be found here here. —Mike Allen 02:12, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 71.124.106.183, 23 April 2011

As of Friday April 22nd the total gross US wise is $26,754,000

71.124.106.183 (talk) 18:59, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

What's your source, the one I have says $26,604,000 Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:16, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

New reference

Found this link, talks a little about the death of one of the characters, how it came about, change from script to filming, thought it might be useful to the article in some way, perhaps the filming section. The pertinent information is towards the bottom of the article but you may find the rest useful.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1662177/scream-4-emma-roberts-adam-brody.jhtml Darkwarriorblake (talk) 23:26, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Box Office

I noticed that alot of these articles tend to disintegrate into edit wars because fans of these movies, or haters, get angry at how box office results are intrepreted. The best wiki articles on this tend to play a straight line, using quotes whenever possible, and avoiding "personal" feelings on the matter. Industry analysts across the board are calling this opening "disappointing" in the press so I do not think it is our job to deprive the reader of this important info simply because the makers of this film and the fans might get upset. It's not our job to nuance, or re-interpret, or water down info that is necessary to the article. My hope is conflict can be avoided by working out consensus on here that (a) avoids populist/anti-intellectual fears and (b)is rational. Please discuss.Games Junn (talk) 03:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Contributions aren't deleted here and I never said I owned the page. I have, however, put in a lot of time and effort into this article. But that's beside the point, right? I have the right like anyone else to revert an edit. I plainly added my reason in the edit summary. Anyways, I reverted it because it was already stated in the paragraph and the quotes you inserted shouldn't be in the very first sentence. The film opening in ## theaters is what happened first, then the midnight gross, daily gross, weekend gross, etc. Sticking "opened to a disappointing $19.3 million according to "industry experts" in the first sentence just seem arbitrary to me. The box office analysts should be further down the section. That is all. And, please, don't assume that I'm trying to block the facts from being inserted into the article because I am a "fan". That's ridiculous. Thank you. —Mike Allen 04:01, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough bloke. I will move the info to where you would like, to where you think it belongs. Great work on the article BTW. You deserve props mateGames Junn (talk) 04:16, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Box Office needs to be updated its made over 80 million at this stage. BoxOfficeMojo is down at the moment but should be updated when its back up —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.101.239.151 (talk) 10:32, 11 May 2011 (UTC) It was updated on the Scream Series section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scream_%28film_series%29#Box_office —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.101.239.151 (talk) 12:58, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 71.124.114.172, 16 May 2011

Just an update on the boxoffice take in the US as of this weekend (5/12 - 5/15) Scream 4 has made 37,512,214 for a total of 87,565,706 worldwide. 71.124.114.172 (talk) 02:13, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Done by User:BKMastah. — Bility (talk) 19:07, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Characters Last Names

Trudie Sheconi Rachel Barnes Chloe Patterson Sherrie Blake —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.204.233.101 (talk) 18:39, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Where do these names appear? —Mike Allen 04:33, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Plot

I added in a few missing details to make the plot summary more cohesive and make more sense without making it too bulky and long. Thoughts? Johno1995 (talk) 21:07, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 February 2012

Replace category 2011s horror films for 2010s horror films, the editor geeky randy thinks 2011s refers to the year 2011, but it should be 2010s as it is for the decade 201.27.177.3 (talk) 22:02, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done Thanks. Dru of Id (talk) 22:10, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

SIdney didn't die

The ending description said SIdney gets shot in the head. That didn't happen. [User:user|user]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.77.161 (talk) 01:36, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Hey someone fix that awful soundtrack thing

I dunno how. But it's bad! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.254.134 (talk) 02:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Editing Needed

A judicious amount of editing is necessary to make this page better-written. Several sentences, such as "Originally, the series was intended to be a trilogy, but film production was approved by Bob Weinstein." don't make any sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.16.117.22 (talk) 21:47, 22 October 2014 (UTC)