Talk:Seán Hogan

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Photo

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I have added a photo from the book, The Flying Column - West Kilkenny 1916-21.

It

Middle kneeling - David Fitzgerald, Martin Lyons, Francis Payne, Sean Morrissey, Maurice McGrath, John Fitzgerald, Michael Pattison

Front sitting - Gabriel McGrath, Tom Gorman, Richard Dalton, Liam Mulcahy, Liam Breen, Ned Dwyer, Unknown

Jm butler 23:58, 5 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Flying Column Image

Latest comment: 16 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

The image depicted is variously described as depicting Hogan's Flying Column (3rd Tipperary Brigade) and the West Cork Column. This poses a serious conflict and should be clarified , especially as it seems to have been applied to several sites. RashersTierney (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 13:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

I'm almost positive that is the West Cork flying column, as that is what it is referred to 90% of the time. Also, if Hogan took no part in the Anglo-Irish War after the train rescue why would he have his own flying column? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.142.204.47 (talk) 22:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

---The article states that he took no part in the Irish Civil War. He led the second col. of the 3rd Tipp. Brigade during the Irish War of Independence. The following may be considered primary sources regarding Hogan's Column. Unfortunately, the Bureau of Military History have not yet made them available on-line. They can however be examined by calling in person to the National Archives of Ireland.

"Sean Hogan’s ASU (Flying Column) No.2

Thomas Ryan (W.S. 783) on its organisation and on being a member – lots of ambush plans that failed – good description of thousands of troops searching for the ASU –

John Nagle (W.S. 1394) was the second-in-command and gives a very detailed account, including names of its members

W.S indicates Witness Statement. These were a series of personal accounts taken from participants of the 1916-1922 as an initiative of the Dept. of Defence in the 1950's. Approx. 1500 W.S's were taken and they form a unique and quite recently released historical source of the time." There are also a number of accounts of this Col. published in the Tipperary Historical Journal, some of which are available on-line (including images of Hogan's Col from the Starkey Collection).

Regarding the image used in the article- its description is a bit of a dog's dinner- its either Hogan's Column or it isn't. If it is not accurately described it should't be used. From the other images I've seen of Hogan's Column, neither the faces nor most of the names indicate it is correctly identified. That said, I have not yet managed to locate the book which is the purported source of the photo. I think it was a simple error of identification by its author that has led to confusion. RashersTierney (talk) 03:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Having accessedJim Maher's The Flying Column- West Kilkenny 1916-1921, I am confident now that this image does in fact depict Hogans Column and not 'West Cork' as indicated by the image on CAIN.I have proveded additional info. at he Image Home Page. RashersTierney (talk) 17:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

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